Grace Sharkey
0:00
LinkedIn
presents
.
Blythe Brumleve
0:10
Welcome
into
another
episode
of
Everything
Is
Logistics
,
a
podcast
for
the
thinkers
in
freight
.
We
are
proudly
presented
by
SPI
Logistics
.
I
am
your
host
,
blythe
Bromley
,
and
we've
got
Grace
Sharkey
back
in
the
virtual
studio
.
I
guess
,
yeah
,
virtual
digital
studio
,
whatever
,
but
Grace
Sharkey
Freight
Waves
fame
.
She
does
like
seven
million
shows
.
So
she's
here
doing
another
one
.
This
is
a
monthly
appearance
that
she
does
And
we
call
it
affectionately
called
Freight
Friends
,
where
we
dive
into
a
bunch
of
different
topics
,
usually
one
to
two
main
topics
,
and
then
we
typically
have
like
a
favorite
but
fun
,
sometimes
fun
conspiracy
theories
And
then
also
our
favorite
logistics
of
stories
.
So
everybody
really
liked
that
logistics
of
sand
stories
.
I
even
got
like
a
little
copyright
notice
from
YouTube
on
it
,
but
the
creator
didn't
care
.
Grace Sharkey
1:02
Beyonce's
been
doing
that
to
me
recently
on
Instagram
too
,
like
taking
my
2016
post
down
and
stuff
Dang
Dang
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:09
It's
probably
just
like
a
legal
team
going
in
and
cleaning
stuff
up
Exactly
Not
for
free
.
No
,
no
,
no
.
Grace Sharkey
1:15
Not
on
Instagram
,
not
today
.
What's
new
with
you
,
Grace
?
Blythe Brumleve
1:22
How
are
you
feeling
refreshed
now
after
a
future
of
supply
chain
?
Freight
Waves
conference
just
happened
in
Cleveland
.
You
guys
did
a
lot
of
cool
stuff
up
there
.
Give
us
a
little
recap
.
Grace Sharkey
1:31
Yeah
,
it
was
a
lot
of
fun
.
You
know
it's
so
interesting
,
as
I
until
I
end
up
getting
to
this
event
every
year
.
We've
had
it
in
Arkansas
in
the
past
.
We
had
in
Cleveland
this
past
year
.
The
future
of
supply
chain
is
a
really
interesting
event
,
for
almost
more
of
the
economic
updates
right
Like
less
of
this
is
what
tech
is
doing
today
.
I
think
that's
definitely
part
of
the
conversation
,
but
it's
almost
more
of
like
here's
how
tech
can
help
you
throughout
this
economic
turmoil
that
we're
going
through
.
So
I
really
enjoyed
it
.
We
got
to
see
a
number
of
speakers
who
were
clearly
very
involved
with
the
economy
and
had
an
idea
of
what's
coming
next
and
what
we
should
be
watching
for
.
Grace Sharkey
2:09
With
Freight
volumes
.
I
mean
,
unfortunately
there's
no
crazy
spontaneous
positive
news
that
came
out
of
it
.
Right
,
it
just
oh
,
a
ton
of
ships
for
some
reason
that
week
like
loaded
up
from
China
and
had
their
way
over
here
.
Nothing
crazy
like
that
happened
.
But
I
think
it's
just
interesting
to
kind
of
hear
from
multiple
people
and
also
,
too
,
it's
a
chance
to
talk
to
a
lot
of
the
providers
in
this
space
and
what
they're
hearing
from
their
customers
,
and
I
will
say
it
sounds
like
,
most
especially
on
the
trucking
side
brokerages
as
well
.
Grace Sharkey
2:45
Most
are
realizing
like
this
is
,
this
market
could
get
a
tad
bit
worse
.
Right
now
,
it's
definitely
higher
rates
that
we've
seen
so
far
in
July
than
we've
seen
in
May
and
June
,
but
I
doubt
that
we're
going
to
see
this
market
fall
below
like
$2
or
something
like
that
.
You
know
what
I
mean
.
So
I
think
people
are
having
know
what
their
worst
case
scenario
can
be
and
are
now
planning
their
budgets
around
it
,
at
least
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
a
lot
of
tech
providers
throughout
their
same
list
and
we're
finally
starting
to
get
calls
back
.
People
are
starting
to
maybe
not
optimistic
,
but
understanding
okay
,
there's
a
time
,
there's
a
place
for
an
investment
during
these
types
of
times
,
right
.
Blythe Brumleve
3:30
And
I
don't
know
if
you
know
the
answer
to
this
,
but
I
was
thinking
of
it
as
you
were
talking
What
is
,
I
guess
,
the
dollar
amount
that
carriers
should
be
charging
,
I
guess
,
in
order
to
just
either
break
even
or
to
make
enough
to
survive
?
You
mentioned
$2
a
mile
.
Is
that
number
like
$250
or
$3
?
Is
there
any
kind
of
,
I
guess
,
maybe
insight
there
?
Grace Sharkey
3:54
Well
,
i
will
say
from
the
trucking
experts
that
I
talked
to
there
is
no
true
number
.
I
mean
it
all
depends
right
on
what
year
.
Do
you
have
new
equipment
and
your
cost
for
that
truck
are
higher
than
most
.
Are
you
running
more
long
distance
?
so
you
have
to
also
consider
where
the
driver's
sleeping
and
food
and
meat
.
So
there's
not
really
a
great
judgment
number
.
Grace Sharkey
4:18
But
to
kind
of
showcase
to
you
from
the
past
market
when
we
hit
the
really
low
low
in
May
that
and
I
would
say
that
was
probably
our
biggest
bottom
for
so
far
this
year
That
hit
around
$2.12
and
that
was
about
a
week
and
a
half
before
Memorial
Day
as
well
.
So
it
wasn't
like
I
think
we
saw
it
ramp
up
for
like
the
end
of
the
month
too
.
So
it
didn't
stay
at
that
rate
for
long
.
Right
now
we're
about
$2.32
.
This
is
our
NTR
National
Truckload
Index
.
So
it
gives
you
the
average
spot
rate
across
the
domestic
US
.
So
if
you're
running
contract
you're
probably
seeing
about
.
Grace Sharkey
5:02
I
want
to
say
our
spread
difference
is
about
$0.60
,
$0.70
.
So
you're
seeing
a
little
bit
more
on
the
contract
side
of
things
.
But
as
the
contract
shipments
start
to
run
out
,
then
you'll
see
that
the
two
numbers
contract
closer
to
each
other
as
well
.
So
I
will
say
$2.32
is
pretty
great
.
It's
actually
we
have
a
forecasting
model
as
well
and
it
has
forecasted
pretty
well
throughout
this
season
.
But
I
could
see
this
falling
back
down
to
that
low
2.10-ish
area
in
the
fall
right
around
,
i
would
say
probably
around
October-ish
November
,
right
in
time
for
F3
.
But
I
could
see
it
falling
as
student
loans
start
to
come
back
on
and
people
start
making
that
transition
into
those
payments
as
well
.
Blythe Brumleve
5:52
Yeah
,
because
that's
all
obviously
going
to
impact
spending
,
where
a
lot
of
spending
is
going
towards
services
right
now
,
not
necessarily
products
.
So
it'll
be
really
interesting
to
see
how
the
retailers
are
preparing
for
the
perceived
,
i
guess
holiday
shopping
season
.
Grace Sharkey
6:06
Exactly
,
and
it
depends
,
of
course
,
what
we're
buying
for
too
.
I
think
I
still
see
a
lot
of
people
taking
trips
.
If
we
get
into
the
holiday
season
and
people
are
saying
,
hey
,
instead
of
buying
individual
gifts
,
let's
take
a
trip
next
year
or
do
something
,
we
might
not
see
it
in
the
numbers
that
we
want
to
,
and
plus
,
you
got
to
think
about
it
I
know
you
were
worked
in
the
space
right
.
Then
you
go
into
January
.
In
January
,
it's
always
the
slowest
month
for
freight
,
so
even
if
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
pick
me
up
,
there's
going
to
be
a
slide
back
down
as
well
.
Blythe Brumleve
6:41
So
let's
just
put
your
expectations
on
and
up
or
low
,
or
keep
your
expectations
low
,
and
hopefully
you'll
be
pleasantly
surprised
.
Blythe Brumleve
6:49
Yeah
exactly
Well
as
we
are
.
It's
sort
of
a
roadmap
for
today's
show
because
this
actually
ties
in
the
future
of
supply
chain
conference
,
actually
really
ties
in
with
our
first
topic
.
We're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
fast
fashion
supply
chain
,
then
we're
going
to
get
into
a
little
bit
of
the
best
business
models
in
freight
And
then
we're
going
to
I
mean
,
we
can't
have
a
show
without
dunking
on
Meghan
Markle
.
I
think
this
is
kind
of
like
a
regular
thing
.
It
probably
should
be
.
I
think
we
have
talked
about
her
in
every
single
episode
We've
recorded
together
.
Grace Sharkey
7:19
So
we're
just
going
to
keep
it
going
.
Stop
dropping
hot
gossip
about
her
every
month
.
That's
really
their
faults
.
Blythe Brumleve
7:26
I
mean
,
and
then
you
have
to
wonder
like
is
it
her
team
that's
doing
it
,
or
is
it
just
her
embarrassing
failures
,
or
is
it
a
sigh
up
against
her
?
Grace Sharkey
7:35
The
reed
,
or
is
it
a
combination
of
three
?
Is
it
just
more
an
embarrassment
to
society
,
meghan
?
Is
it
karma
finally
coming
back
to
you
?
Blythe Brumleve
7:44
I
know
I
love
,
what
a
reed
.
So
it
could
be
a
combination
of
all
those
things
,
and
then
we'll
wrap
up
with
our
favorite
conspiracy
theories
at
the
moment
,
and
then
,
of
course
,
our
logistic
story
,
as
mentioned
earlier
in
the
show
.
You
guys
really
liked
that
logistics
of
sand
story
that
we
did
in
the
last
episode
,
so
we're
going
to
bring
you
a
couple
new
ones
today
,
and
mine's
kind
of
related
A
little
bit
of
a
cargo
crime
.
I'm
a
little
obsessed
with
it
,
so
we'll
get
into
those
later
on
.
First
topic
though
fast
fashion
in
the
supply
chain
,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
she
and
influencers
right
now
that
are
in
a
lot
of
shit
and
sort
of
.
I
guess
you
know
the
too
long
didn't
read
,
the
too
long
didn't
watch
.
This
is
making
big
waves
and
sort
of
like
the
fashion
beauty
landscape
,
because
a
bunch
of
influencers
were
invited
to
visit
a
factory
in
I
think
it
was
in
Denver
or
around
the
Colorado
area
,
or
they
were
flown
to
China
One
of
the
two
I
couldn't
really
grasp
where
they
actually
did
the
factory
tour
.
I
would
be
surprised
if
they
did
a
factory
tour
in
the
United
States
,
because
I
didn't
know
that
she
hadn't
had
any
factories
in
the
United
States
.
So
they
anyways
,
they
took
this
trip
.
It
was
a
she
in
a
little
bit
of
backstory
has
.
Blythe Brumleve
8:56
They
have
some
rumblings
about
their
supply
chain
morals
.
They
use
low
cost
labor
,
to
put
it
mildly
.
They
have
factories
staged
all
over
the
world
where
they
can
take
advantage
of
low
cost
labor
and
that
is
the
reason
why
you
can
get
very
,
very
cheaply
made
clothes
very
pretty
fast
and
very
cheap
.
We're
talking
like
anywhere
from
like
eight
to
ten
dollars
for
a
shirt
that
you'll
see
on
a
lot
of
different
ecom
shops
,
amazon
shops
that
will
.
Those
shops
will
list
it
for
around
30
bucks
.
Blythe Brumleve
9:31
So
it
just
kind
of
,
i
guess
it
shines
a
light
on
their
supplier
system
and
where
they're
getting
a
lot
of
these
clothing
.
So
the
influencers
went
there
,
they
looked
at
a
lot
of
their
different
operations
within
a
warehouse
And
because
of
that
a
lot
of
folks
have
come
out
and
started
commenting
and
targeting
these
influencers
because
they
didn't
know
about
or
maybe
they
didn't
know
about
you
know
some
of
their
shady
manufacturing
policies
.
They
just
got
a
tour
of
a
warehouse
and
got
some
behind
the
scenes
footage
and
now
they're
being
blamed
for
Xi'an's
,
i
guess
,
supply
chain
.
So
with
all
that
said
,
grace
,
i
know
you've
done
,
you
know
,
plenty
of
work
on
these
types
of
stories
.
Blythe Brumleve
10:15
So
what
is
your
early
read
on
this
one
?
Grace Sharkey
10:18
I
will
say
they
did
.
they
did
spy
on
the
China
,
So
they
did
go
to
China
.
Blythe Brumleve
10:22
Oh
,
okay
,
okay
.
Grace Sharkey
10:25
I
will
say
I
have
mixed
feelings
because
I
have
attempted
this
same
flight
myself
.
There's
a
big
company
out
in
China
called
JDcom
And
I've
tried
.
They're
like
the
Amazon
of
China
.
They've
got
like
all
robotics
like
warehouses
and
stuff
like
that
,
and
I
have
tried
so
hard
to
get
close
to
their
marketing
team
and
I'm
like
,
and
they
did
kind
of
the
same
thing
years
ago
And
so
I
was
like
,
if
you're
ever
doing
this
again
,
just
because
I
think
I've
never
been
to
China
,
i
think
I
would
love
it
.
Yeah
,
hopefully
I
would
be
blind
to
whatever
atrocities
that
are
happening
behind
the
scenes
.
Also
,
i
will
say
I
bought
from
the
site
once
or
twice
and
I've
never
been
fully
thrilled
by
the
quality
.
So
at
first
I
was
like
okay
,
interested
in
seeing
,
like
maybe
,
how
I've
done
deep
dives
on
their
technology
,
though
They
have
a
ton
of
investment
that
they've
done
in
the
past
in
particular
.
That
is
pretty
interesting
.
Blythe Brumleve
11:34
And
a
lot
of
algorithms
really
sophisticated
.
Grace Sharkey
11:37
Yes
,
yeah
,
i
mean
they're
deep
into
buy
now
,
pay
later
systems
.
They're
reverse
logistics
is
pretty
huge
.
They
work
with
a
company
called
Narbar
that
has
over
200,000
drop
off
locations
They
have
.
They
put
a
lot
of
money
into
the
influencer
side
of
things
right
,
gaining
that
loyalty
and
retention
,
really
gamifying
rewards
for
customers
and
for
those
influencers
.
They
I
know
of
big
areas
,
traceability
,
visibility
tools
.
Grace Sharkey
12:15
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
people
will
say
right
,
if
I
do
buy
from
them
,
it
usually
gets
to
me
pretty
quickly
and
it
usually
is
.
They're
pretty
open
to
the
delivery
times
and
things
of
that
nature
.
So
it
is
.
It's
pretty
interesting
as
a
whole
,
i
think
,
where
they're
investing
in
making
sure
that
they're
competing
really
well
with
more
of
these
US
operations
.
Now
how
are
they
getting
things
done
so
fast
and
so
cheap
?
Really
not
great
labor
practices
,
which
is
why
everyone
is
really
fighting
against
them
.
When
I
say
everyone
,
i
mean
our
elected
representatives
.
So
I
guess
she
and
girls
,
if
you're
out
there
in
your
org
eyes
and
you
want
to
fight
against
it
,
reach
out
to
your
representatives
and
let
them
know
to
stop
it
.
Blythe Brumleve
13:05
But
no
,
they're
trying
to
block
the
IP
.
She
is
trying
to
IPO
in
the
United
States
,
but
they're
blocking
it
,
I
think
.
Grace Sharkey
13:12
Yeah
,
well
,
i
think
they
put
it
on
pause
just
because
of
the
uproar
from
representatives
,
knowing
that
the
fight's
there
right
.
Whenever
you
want
to
go
public
,
you
want
to
make
it
as
smooth
as
possible
,
aka
pay
less
lawyers
as
much
as
possible
,
so
I
think
that's
part
of
the
reason
they're
holding
off
for
now
.
But
,
yeah
,
a
lot
of
representatives
aren't
happy
that
,
and
it
makes
sense
.
I
mean
,
they
are
a
powerful
being
.
They're
anti-competitive
in
the
fact
that
you're
using
labor
that
no
one
else
here
is
allowed
to
use
.
So
,
yeah
,
i
guess
I
wasn't
surprised
,
though
,
that
they
brought
in
influencers
.
It's
a
pretty
smart
attempt
to
try
to
cover
yourselves
up
,
But
I
think
what
happened
is
that
backlash
on
the
influencer
themselves
.
Knowing
whether
or
not
you
saw
any
of
it
,
knowing
,
okay
,
well
,
how
is
No
one
there
asked
the
tough
question
of
?
But
you're
also
in
China
,
who's
trying
to
ask
tough
questions
?
That's
what
it's
like
.
Who
gets
this
trip
to
China
?
It's
like
,
okay
,
now
that
we're
here
and
I'm
vulnerable
,
everyone
wants
to
pretend
as
if
they're
an
investigative
journalist
.
Blythe Brumleve
14:22
Nobody
does
it
more
than
the
keyboard
warriors
who
see
And
I
think
that
there's
kind
of
like
a
few
things
going
on
.
I
think
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
jealousy
going
on
from
the
commenters
seeing
somebody
get
the
advantages
of
getting
flown
out
,
going
on
these
behind
the
scenes
type
tours
and
not
having
access
to
those
sort
of
same
opportunities
.
And
then
also
the
geopolitical
struggles
between
the
US
and
China
is
that's
another
kind
of
play
involved
as
well
.
And
then
there's
the
folks
who
are
really
passionate
about
the
environment
.
So
it's
like
all
of
these
things
that
are
coming
together
,
and
obviously
labor
laws
as
well
,
and
ethical
sourcing
,
which
is
just
It's
kind
of
exhausting
at
times
.
So
I
don't
blame
these
Because
from
a
greater
point
,
there's
a
lot
of
responsibility
that's
put
on
the
consumer
to
know
these
things
,
to
know
the
entire
supply
chain
of
these
big
conglomerates
,
when
sometimes
you
just
need
to
dress
in
a
few
days
,
you
just
need
something
cheap
in
a
few
days
.
So
some
days
I'm
not
going
to
have
my
morality
standards
eyes
wide
open
on
every
single
thing
that
I'm
doing
.
I
just
think
that
they
got
a
little
.
I
think
the
overwhelming
majority
of
these
influencers
got
too
much
heat
,
when
that
heat
should
have
been
directed
towards
the
company
,
because
it's
something
like
close
to
For
71
companies
,
or
like
the
top
100
companies
are
responsible
for
71%
of
emissions
since
like
the
1980s
.
And
it's
these
big
corporations
.
It's
in
their
best
interest
to
put
the
onus
on
the
consumer
And
so
if
they
make
it
challenging
to
find
out
the
,
i
guess
,
the
morality
and
the
ethical
nature
of
the
supply
chain
,
if
they
put
that
on
the
consumer
,
then
they
can
kind
of
wash
their
hands
of
it
.
And
that's
what's
happening
right
now
with
these
influencers
,
because
She-In
is
not
coming
in
to
help
and
defend
them
,
it's
everyone
.
They're
getting
blocked
,
like
they're
not
getting
blocked
,
but
a
lot
of
these
influencers
have
turned
their
comments
off
.
They've
deleted
the
posts
.
Blythe Brumleve
16:43
There's
one
girl
in
particular
which
I
should
probably
play
the
clip
now
.
She
seems
to
be
the
one
that
is
getting
a
lot
of
the
I
guess
ire
of
folks
is
being
directed
towards
her
,
but
she
apparently
I
haven't
seen
the
videos
.
Some
of
them
were
taken
down
.
She
deleted
them
because
she
was
trying
to
like
double
down
on
her
message
of
like
.
I
met
with
them
behind
closed
doors
in
Denver
And
I
think
that's
where
Denver
comes
from
.
So
she
met
with
She-In
people
in
Denver
to
kind
of
talk
about
some
of
those
ethical
issues
And
she
said
that
she
was
comfortable
with
their
answers
And
so
she
created
a
bunch
of
comment
or
content
defending
She-In
,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
why
that
she's
getting
a
little
bit
of
this
heat
,
and
so
let
me
see
if
I
You
know
.
Grace Sharkey
17:29
What's
interesting
,
too
,
is
like
you're
exactly
right
,
like
as
much
as
our
generation
wants
to
say
,
like
,
hey
,
we
stand
for
these
,
like
ESG
initiatives
and
sustainable
practices
.
They're
valued
at
over
$100
billion
,
i
think
it's
.
The
average
person
has
bought
14
items
every
year
from
them
,
and
28%
of
US
fashion
sales
is
going
to
them
as
well
.
Blythe Brumleve
17:57
So
Oh
,
wow
That
is
huge
.
Grace Sharkey
18:00
So
at
some
point
it's
like
I
say
this
to
people
too
,
and
anything
political
,
like
you
know
what
doesn't
change
things
,
yelling
at
people
on
social
media
,
like
,
take
that
same
energy
,
write
a
letter
to
your
representative
,
go
visit
them
.
Right
,
if
you're
going
to
fight
a
China
,
go
visit
your
representative
down
the
street
,
who's
in
an
office
that's
completely
approachable
,
and
let
them
know
.
Like
that's
how
you
feel
,
like
,
yeah
,
bullying
a
bunch
of
influencers
on
TikTok
which
,
if
we
want
to
go
down
that
rabbit
holes
,
owned
by
the
Chinese
they're
being
bullied
on
Instagram
too
,
and
it's
like
win
,
win
,
win
.
Blythe Brumleve
18:45
Which
is
God
.
That's
not
probably
not
the
right
phrase
to
use
this
,
but
I
mean
like
money
wise
Right
.
Grace Sharkey
18:49
literally
they're
like
oh
yes
,
oh
yes
,
go
make
content
on
TikTok
and
yell
at
each
other
there
.
That's
not
good
for
us
either
.
Blythe Brumleve
18:57
And
tweet
it
from
your
iPhones
and
text
it
from
your
iPhones
that
are
also
you
know
.
You
know
I
mean
how
,
how
deep
are
we
going
to
go
with
this
like
ethical
supply
chain
?
Because
I
would
be
willing
to
bet
that
the
overwhelming
majority
of
those
,
i
would
willing
to
bet
all
of
them
,
that
all
of
those
comments
that
were
made
in
a
negative
fashion
,
were
coming
from
a
phone
that
has
natural
resources
that
were
sourced
using
a
lot
of
the
same
corrupt
labor
practices
.
So
that's
,
i
guess
that's
not
an
excuse
,
but
it
is
something
that
you
know
from
like
a
fast
fashion
standpoint
.
It
is
becoming
,
i
think
,
more
just
aware
with
our
generation
,
but
also
with
younger
generations
.
I
think
that's
why
we're
seeing
,
you
know
,
a
lot
of
the
increases
in
like
vintage
fashion
and
vintage
finds
.
Blythe Brumleve
19:42
And
I
don't
,
you
know
,
anecdotally
,
here
in
Jacksonville
,
there
are
a
handful
of
shops
that
have
popped
up
all
over
Jacksonville
specializing
in
,
like
you
know
,
vintage
sports
gear
from
like
Florida
based
teams
or
just
really
anywhere
.
You
know
people
getting
rid
of
their
old
stuff
and
they're
going
to
thrift
stores
and
they're
finding
them
and
they're
sourcing
them
themselves
and
then
selling
it
and
their
retail
shops
So
it's
shop
specifically
designed
to
.
Is
it
rethread
or
not
rethread
,
but
I
guess
up
skill
,
up
sale
I
don't
know
what
that
phrase
is
called
,
but
it's
basically
just
making
sure
that
your
,
the
clothes
that
you're
buying
,
has
a
certain
shelf
life
where
you
can
reuse
them
multiple
times
,
multiple
,
you
know
,
decades
versus
like
the
She-In
clothes
which
you
know
may
fall
apart
after
a
couple
of
days
.
There
was
one
shirt
I
bought
from
She-In
and
this
was
totally
my
fault
,
but
I
tried
to
put
an
iron
on
it
and
melted
right
to
the
iron
,
so
it
wasn't
.
Blythe Brumleve
20:39
It's
not
the
best
made
stuff
either
,
but
let
me
play
this
clip
really
quick
,
because
this
is
the
chick
I
was
talking
about
.
That
is
she's
facing
the
most
,
because
she
has
doubled
down
.
She
has
since
gone
and
deleted
a
lot
of
those
posts
,
but
this
is
her
sort
of
explaining
.
Hopefully
we
can
hear
the
sound
.
Please
,
god
,
let
us
hear
the
sound
.
21:03
Feel
like
a
show
.
It
didn't
feel
like
something
was
quickly
put
together
.
Speaker 4
21:07
Influencer
,
danny
Carbonari
,
is
speaking
out
against
growing
criticism
after
posting
glowing
reviews
of
Shan's
operations
in
China
.
In
an
almost
12
minute
video
,
the
influencer
begins
by
saying
she
is
imperfect
and
can
take
accountability
for
her
actions
.
She
describes
being
interested
in
the
brand
over
their
size
,
inclusivity
and
affordability
and
said
she's
friends
with
someone
who
worked
there
who
helped
make
further
introductions
.
She
explains
the
company
took
her
on
a
brand
trip
to
Tahoe
where
she
says
she
brought
up
many
concerns
and
questions
to
the
higher
ups
.
Later
she
said
she
had
an
off
the
record
meeting
with
political
people
and
journalists
where
higher
ups
addressed
more
questions
and
gave
answers
.
21:45
To
me
.
I
was
,
I'm
a
very
like
logistic
person
and
they
just
gave
so
many
numbers
and
like
that's
when
I
learned
about
like
their
auditing
system
and
how
they
do
have
so
many
suppliers
.
Speaker 4
21:57
She
explains
that
the
China
trip
was
organized
because
the
company
wanted
to
put
an
end
to
criticism
.
22:01
We're
aware
of
all
these
rumors
and
all
this
stuff
that's
going
on
and
we
want
to
put
an
end
to
it
.
The
trip
we
were
not
paid
for
,
the
trip
we
were
not
paid
to
post
our
travel
accommodations
were
taken
care
of
.
Speaker 4
22:12
But
ultimately
,
danny
still
says
she
needs
to
do
better
,
adding
that
the
experience
has
caused
her
to
evaluate
her
brand
and
herself
Speaker 4
22:19
.
22:19
I
should
have
done
more
research
and
I
think
content
creators
in
general
,
we
don't
do
enough
research
and
I
think
especially
plus
size
content
creators
,
we're
just
so
happy
to
be
included
.
I'm
sorry
and
sad
that
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
know
me
are
so
angry
and
upset
,
but
the
best
thing
that
I
can
do
,
moving
forward
,
is
to
lead
with
the
same
intention
and
authenticity
.
I
always
have
an
add
in
doing
the
research
,
doing
my
part
,
so
thoughts
.
Grace Sharkey
22:52
I'm
like
a
logistics
person
okay
.
Blythe Brumleve
22:55
That's
why
I
wanted
to
play
that
clip
.
Because
she
said
that
line
.
I
was
like
we
have
to
play
this
because
she's
trying
to
bring
the
the
logistics
girlies
into
her
drama
and
we're
not
going
to
stand
for
it
.
Grace Sharkey
23:05
Just
six
girlies
.
I'm
one
of
you
.
What
audience
is
she
talking
to
?
Our
audience
?
How
dare
she
.
Blythe Brumleve
23:15
She's
starting
to
creep
in
.
They
found
out
.
Grace Sharkey
23:17
I
also
love
that
they
actually
like
forced
her
into
labor
too
.
How
Chinese
of
them
.
That's
so
awesome
.
She's
at
one
point
literally
packing
boxes
.
I'm
like
this
is
perfect
.
It's
interesting
because
,
knowing
China's
antics
,
there's
always
other
like
that
could
have
been
like
a
warehouse
.
I
would
be
surprised
if
that's
like
a
upfront
warehouse
that
they
take
clients
to
.
Oh
for
sure
I
doubt
that's
where
it's
all
happening
.
I
mean
,
for
the
amount
of
clothing
and
stuff
in
that
.
There's
no
way
that's
where
that's
all
happening
.
I
just
hate
I
will
say
I
hate
apology
videos
.
Just
like
do
it
and
move
on
.
I
don't
know
why
people
spend
this
time
like
oh
my
god
,
i
made
a
mistake
.
Like
no
,
you
got
a
free
trip
to
China
.
Like
great
for
you
,
yes
,
like
double
down
on
that
.
Blythe Brumleve
24:21
We've
seen
some
of
these
logistical
operations
up
close
at
,
like
the
manifest
conference
,
for
example
,
where
you
can
see
these
robotics
and
like
these
intricate
systems
.
that
truly
is
fascinating
And
I
can
totally
empathize
with
getting
an
opportunity
like
that
being
able
to
getting
a
flight
,
getting
travel
accommodations
to
go
to
another
.
Most
people
would
not
turn
that
opportunity
down
.
I
would
have
had
a
lot
more
respect
for
if
she
just
doubled
down
on
it
.
She
just
said
,
hey
,
you
know
,
this
is
what
I'm
doing
and
this
is
why
I'm
doing
it
,
and
90%
of
y'all
would
do
the
exact
same
things
.
90%
of
y'all
would
take
this
trip
.
But
now
she
has
,
since
she
has
deleted
all
those
videos
promoting
the
I
guess
,
behind
the
scenes
not
tours
that
she's
done
,
but
behind
the
scenes
conversations
,
because
she
called
herself
an
investigative
journalist
.
Grace Sharkey
25:11
Oh
god
.
Blythe Brumleve
25:14
Ma'am
,
you
take
outfit
photos
.
You
are
not
an
investigative
journalist
.
It's
a
completely
different
skill
set
.
Grace Sharkey
25:21
She's
just
a
logistics
person
and
an
investigative
journalist
.
It's
like
we
do
not
accept
you
.
Yeah
,
exactly
.
Blythe Brumleve
25:28
I
know
those
people
,
the
logistics
people
say
no
.
Grace Sharkey
25:30
They
don't
have
time
for
whatever
you're
doing
right
now
.
Oh
my
god
,
that's
so
funny
.
You
know
it's
tough
,
because
I
am
excited
when
you
talk
about
visibility
tech
in
this
space
.
I
think
it'll
be
much
easier
as
we
move
forward
to
get
more
insight
into
,
like
our
supply
chains
and
be
able
to
say
hey
,
this
is
who
I'm
buying
from
,
this
is
where
the
product's
from
,
it's
just
you
know
.
Hmm
,
maybe
I'll
just
let's
blame
men
for
this
one
,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
,
we
just
need
dresses
sometimes
for
events
to
look
good
really
fast
.
And
if
society
hadn't
put
that
pressure
on
women
for
hundreds
of
years
,
maybe
she
and
wouldn't
be
what
it
is
today
.
Blythe Brumleve
26:12
So
I
need
to
actually
link
in
the
show
notes
.
Blythe Brumleve
26:17
That's
my
conspiracy
I
embarrassingly
,
like
know
very
little
about
,
like
the
fast
fashion
supply
chain
.
I
should
know
more
,
but
I
think
a
part
of
me
for
a
long
time
did
not
want
to
know
,
because
it's
almost
like
you
know
where
you
know
when
you
start
asking
questions
of
like
,
where
did
the
eggs
come
from
,
where
does
meat
come
from
?
And
then
you
start
diving
into
a
lot
of
those
different
questions
.
I
don't
want
to
know
those
answers
,
i
just
want
to
be
in
peace
,
and
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
,
like
my
earlier
point
of
like
.
So
much
of
this
responsibility
is
put
on
the
consumers
,
and
so
,
if
this
responsibility
is
put
on
the
consumers
,
there's
a
certain
level
of
exhaustion
that
comes
into
play
where
sometimes
you
want
to
be
really
,
really
morally
a
good
person
and
sometimes
you
need
to
dress
.
In
two
days
It's
going
to
happen
,
some
days
your
morals
are
going
to
be
a
little
bit
compromised
And
I
don't
think
that
you
know
consumers
should
have
the
bear
that
responsibility
.
You
know
all
of
the
time
where
,
like
I
said
earlier
,
there's
the
overwhelming
.
The
top
100
companies
have
contributed
to
more
than
70%
of
emissions
since
the
1980s
,
And
so
that's
where
the
blame
should
be
,
that's
where
the
change
should
be
.
Blythe Brumleve
27:34
But
that
YouTube
video
talked
about
how
.
You
know
how
,
where
did
fast
fashion
?
you
know
sort
of
,
where
was
it
born
And
when
did
the
concepts
of
like
fashion
begin
?
And
you
know
how
did
they
start
?
you
know
,
replicating
outfits
,
because
before
fashion
very
much
was
like
you
,
one
artist
made
clothing
for
one
person
And
it
was
somebody
who
was
very
well
to
do
royals
.
You
know
that
,
that
sort
of
market
.
And
it
wasn't
until
the
early
1900s
that
these
machines
started
being
industrialized
And
that's
when
fast
fashion
started
.
So
it
was
like
English
countryside
,
apparently
.
What
happened
is
,
and
all
these
farmers
were
kicked
out
of
their
lands
in
like
the
British
UK
area
.
They
were
kicked
off
their
land
And
when
they
were
kicked
off
their
land
,
they
were
forced
to
move
into
these
bigger
cities
.
Well
,
the
bigger
cities
had
all
of
the
factories
in
them
,
and
so
that's
where
the
concept
of
fast
fashion
was
born
.
And
then
when
it
became
,
like
you
know
,
politically
not
good
to
have
those
fast
fashion
factories
in
the
UK
area
,
then
they
started
searching
for
other
areas
.
So
they
started
searching
for
other
areas
of
the
world
to
outsource
that
part
of
the
production
,
and
that's
how
,
you
know
,
fast
fashion
was
born
.
So
it's
.
I
thought
it
was
super
interesting
that
you
know
a
lot
of
those
same
issues
that
were
developed
in
one
country
.
We're
just
,
they
knew
of
them
,
they
knew
of
these
issues
And
they
still
chose
to
outsource
to
other
countries
.
And
so
that's
where
,
like
the
onus
of
you
know
,
green
washing
comes
into
play
,
which
is
starting
to
become
,
you
know
,
more
apparent
.
Blythe Brumleve
29:08
You
know
a
lot
of
food
brands
will
use
the
phrase
like
organic
.
There's
no
sort
of
government
regulating
body
that
can
determine
if
something
is
truly
organic
or
not
.
It's
kind
of
a
marketing
ploy
.
So
now
we're
starting
to
see
this
with
retailers
who
are
saying
like
,
oh
,
you
know
,
sustainably
sourced
,
but
then
you
do
a
little
bit
of
digging
and
they're
not
so
sustainably
sourced
.
So
one
app
that
I
did
find
that
can
help
you
if
you
are
looking
to
maybe
start
slowly
changing
your
habits
,
your
purchasing
habits
of
getting
away
from
you
know
I
need
the
dress
in
two
days
to
these
other
brands
,
and
one
site
that
you
can
look
this
up
is
called
Good
for
You
,
and
so
they
will
basically
go
to
a
brand's
website
.
They
have
a
certain
amount
of
criteria
on
where
the
sources
come
from
,
what
the
labor
,
you
know
,
what
the
workers
,
environment
,
labor
environment
looks
like
,
and
then
you
know
return
,
shipping
and
how
long
the
guard
.
Blythe Brumleve
30:03
You
know
what
kind
of
materials
are
in
the
stuff
that
you
make
.
Polyester
,
i
heard
,
is
one
of
the
worst
,
i
guess
,
offenders
because
they
have
so
much
like
the
micro
plastics
in
their
materials
so
that
when
you
wear
them
they
don't
last
very
long
.
And
to
your
point
earlier
,
we're
buying
so
much
more
clothing
now
but
that
clothing
isn't
lasting
as
long
as
being
sent
to
a
landfill
where
it's
something
like
a
dump
truck
of
clothes
are
burned
every
second
of
the
day
globally
.
So
we're
consuming
so
much
more
and
polyester
materials
are
a
big
part
of
that
And
they're
getting
found
in
like
these
deep
sea
ocean
animals
,
where
,
like
70%
of
the
animals
in
like
the
deep
sea
have
micro
plastics
inside
of
them
And
they
think
that
that's
how
is
because
of
these
clothings
that
are
made
of
plastic
and
up
in
our
water
systems
.
And
you
know
it's
just
a
whole
chain
of
events
.
Grace Sharkey
31:02
Really
crazy
It's
,
I
think
.
I
think
I
had
a
couple
of
facts
up
here
too
when
I
did
some
in
fast
fashion
.
Yeah
,
60%
of
most
of
it's
made
from
the
plastic
based
materials
,
like
you
said
,
And
then
the
text
the
textile
dying
.
actually
,
20%
of
global
waste
water
comes
from
just
the
dying
process
itself
.
So
,
yeah
,
it's
not
good
for
the
environment
,
but
it's
tough
because
,
like
you
said
,
like
the
average
person
buys
at
least
14
items
of
new
clothes
every
single
year
.
So
from
Xi'an
.
Grace Sharkey
31:40
Yeah
.
So
at
one
point
are
we
yeah
,
where
do
you
where
?
Blythe Brumleve
31:44
do
you
,
and
from
that
same
video
it
was
.
They
also
said
the
average
person
buys
a
new
piece
of
clothing
every
five
days
.
So
if
you're
buying
those
pieces
of
clothing
and
they're
only
lasting
,
you
know
,
maybe
two
,
three
times
that
you're
going
to
wear
them
.
That's
where
these
other
companies
that
are
coming
in
,
like
the
good
for
you
site
,
where
they'll
go
and
they'll
analyze
all
of
those
things
of
like
what
the
brand
is
saying
,
sustainability
wise
,
if
it's
just
kind
of
bullshit
or
if
they're
,
you
know
,
actually
a
good
company
.
So
they
have
a
ranking
of
like
five
different
you
know
,
like
avoid
or
we
support
.
Blythe Brumleve
32:18
One
of
the
companies
that
I
thought
was
really
cool
that
probably
deserves
a
little
bit
of
a
deep
dive
.
Maybe
you
know
an
idea
for
a
future
point
of
sale
episode
is
Sheep
Inc
.
They
make
wool
.
So
wool
is
like
apparently
like
the
superstar
as
far
as
like
sustainable
fabrics
.
Cotton
is
next
,
but
you
know
the
recyclability
of
it
is
a
little
bit
questionable
.
But
wool
apparently
is
like
the
upper
echelon
of
quality
fabrics
that
can
be
reused
and
reworn
for
years
and
it
had
,
you
know
,
less
of
an
environmental
impact
.
All
that
good
stuff
.
But
this
company
,
sheep
Inc
.
Every
purchase
you
make
,
they
will
send
you
a
button
with
your
wool
clothing
so
you
can
see
the
entire
supply
chain
of
that
product
and
the
impacts
that
each
part
of
that
supply
chain
So
like
,
and
you
could
also
see
the
sheep
that
your
piece
of
clothing
came
from
.
Grace Sharkey
33:11
Oh
,
they're
not
dead
.
So
yeah
,
first
of
all
,
I
first
noticed
that
.
Blythe Brumleve
33:14
So
they're
still
alive
.
Yeah
,
they're
still
alive
,
so
I
think
that's
part
of
the
sustainability
.
Grace Sharkey
33:19
Like
oh
wait
,
yes
,
no
,
that's
good
,
good
.
Blythe Brumleve
33:23
But
it
looked
.
It
looked
really
cool
.
My
first
thought
,
though
because
that's
always
like
,
i
guess
.
Where
my
first
thought
,
though
,
goes
is
okay
,
these
buttons
that
you're
sending
,
how
sustainable
are
the
buttons
?
So
that
was
sort
of
like
my
first
point
.
I
was
like
,
hmm
,
how
sustainable
are
we
if
we're
sending
,
you
know
,
an
electronic
device
That
was
probably
made
from
plastic
.
I
don't
know
what
the
actual
button
looks
like
,
but
I
have
seen
the
button
in
action
and
the
content
that
they
give
you
,
which
I
think
is
really
interesting
,
because
you
can
see
the
entire
supply
chain
,
including
the
sheep
that
your
clothing
came
from
.
Grace Sharkey
34:00
That's
interesting
,
that
would
be
cool
to
like
have
.
But
then
again
you're
also
thinking
like
as
a
buyer
and
I'm
buying
something
every
five
days
.
at
some
point
I'm
like
who
cares
?
Blythe Brumleve
34:10
I
did
Well
.
the
.
also
the
button
,
like
the
novelty
of
it
would
be
so
cool
for
like
five
seconds
Exactly
.
Grace Sharkey
34:17
And
then
what
do
you
do
with
the
button
?
I'm
storing
these
buttons
somewhere
.
Blythe Brumleve
34:20
Yeah
,
i
feel
like
they
could
probably
just
maybe
send
you
a
link
.
Grace Sharkey
34:23
We're
basically
tearing
this
up
Shark
Tank
style
.
right
now
We're
like
hmm
.
Blythe Brumleve
34:29
Well
,
that's
actually
a
perfect
segment
or
a
perfect
transition
to
go
into
our
next
segment
which
we
wanted
to
talk
about
.
that
,
Or
wait
,
I
guess
I
should
probably
ask
it
any
last
thoughts
on
sort
of
fast
fashion
and
what
folks
can
do
or
not
do
or
.
Grace Sharkey
34:46
I
would
say
I
think
there's
.
There's
other
things
to
consider
,
too
.
When
you
look
at
the
fast
fashion
behemoths
out
there
.
Ip
is
one
of
them
.
You
brought
this
up
right
Like
.
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
celebrities
and
a
lot
of
people
have
sued
.
These
companies
are
stealing
their
ideas
in
different
styles
and
stuff
like
that
.
So
always
consider
that
right
Like
are
you
also
hurting
the
person
that
came
up
with
this
idea
?
Imagine
you
came
up
with
this
yourself
.
Are
you
happy
that
China
is
just
pushing
these
things
out
at
no
cost
to
you
,
really
,
or
them
?
That's
another
thing
I
have
with
it
,
but
it's
also
,
i
think
,
just
being
being
reasonable
as
a
consumer
.
If
you
don't
like
it
and
you're
going
to
stand
up
and
to
the
point
where
you're
going
to
shame
someone
on
Instagram
about
it
,
you
better
not
order
anything
off
that
site
again
right
Like
talk
the
talk
,
walk
the
walk
type
of
situation
I
think
is
big
here
.
Grace Sharkey
35:53
I
don't
think
they're
going
away
anytime
soon
.
I
think
that
they
could
easily
make
themselves
adhere
to
SEC
rulings
if
there
are
any
,
but
that's
the
thing
.
I
don't
think
we'll
see
any
.
So
it's
kind
of
like
a
kick
rock
situation
.
especially
it
really
depends
right
We
have
an
election
coming
up
where
that
could
go
to
.
Blythe Brumleve
36:12
Yeah
,
pretty
well
said
.
So
I
guess
to
be
continued
,
especially
in
that
world
.
But
I'll
leave
a
couple
of
those
helpful
links
in
the
show
notes
,
should
you
want
to
take
your
I
guess
morality
to
the
next
level
and
start
searching
for
these
companies
that
are
trying
to
do
good
and
they
deserve
to
be
supported
,
because
that's
a
really
good
point
.
You
brought
up
about
some
of
these
smaller
designers
and
creators
who
are
coming
up
with
these
different
outfit
ideas
and
then
they're
getting
counterfeited
essentially
,
which
we
all
know
.
Blythe Brumleve
36:41
The
counterfeit
market
in
China
is
ridiculous
.
There's
hardly
any
kind
of
laws
to
protect
the
Etsy
sale
sellers
have
been
going
through
this
,
even
some
of
the
shoppers
on
Amazon
who
sell
custom
items
.
That
is
what
happens
.
Which
is
super
interesting
is
that
a
lot
of
these
companies
will
rip
off
the
original
design
of
American
companies
and
then
they'll
get
all
of
these
other
shops
or
all
of
these
other
fake
accounts
to
try
to
review
,
bomb
or
to
try
to
get
takedown
notices
for
the
original
creator
of
it
.
So
there's
a
lot
of
like
,
kind
of
like
,
i
guess
retail
warfare
that's
going
on
,
in
addition
to
the
ethical
nature
of
the
where
you're
buying
the
products
.
So
there's
a
whole
lot
of
strings
to
pull
on
that
discussion
but
felt
like
we
needed
to
defend
the
logistics
girlies
out
here
from
getting
people
traded
.
Grace Sharkey
37:36
You
know
me
guys
,
I'm
about
logistics
.
Blythe Brumleve
37:40
What's
funny
is
that
she
said
logistic
,
she
didn't
say
logistics
.
Grace Sharkey
37:43
Yeah
,
dead
ringer
,
i'm
about
logistics
.
Oh
my
God
.
Blythe Brumleve
37:52
Are
you
in
freight
sales
with
a
book
of
business
looking
for
a
new
home
?
Or
perhaps
you're
a
freight
agent
in
need
of
a
better
partnership
?
These
are
the
kinds
of
conversations
we're
exploring
in
our
podcast
interview
series
called
the
freight
agent
trenches
,
sponsored
by
SPI
logistics
.
Now
I
can
tell
you
all
day
that
SPI
is
one
of
the
most
successful
logistics
firms
in
North
America
,
who
helps
their
agents
with
back
office
operations
such
as
admin
,
finance
,
it
and
sales
.
But
I
would
much
rather
you
hear
it
directly
from
SPI's
freight
agents
themselves
.
I
want
better
way
to
do
that
than
by
listening
to
the
experienced
freight
agents
tell
their
stories
behind
the
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and
the
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Blythe Brumleve
39:23
All
right
,
let's
move
on
to
our
next
topic
,
which
,
speaking
of
Shark
Tank
that
we
mentioned
just
briefly
,
i
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
business
best
business
models
in
freight
,
a
little
behind
the
scenes
.
I
mentioned
earlier
that
SPI
Logistics
is
a
company
that
is
a
title
sponsor
for
this
podcast
,
so
I've
been
creating
some
content
on
the
side
to
add
up
to
my
site
in
order
to
create
these
helpful
guides
or
to
helpful
resources
and
then
promote
the
interviews
that
we've
been
doing
with
those
freight
agents
.
So
it's
a
freight
agent
model
which
,
for
folks
who
don't
know
,
a
freight
agent
is
essentially
someone
who
has
a
couple
customers
,
maybe
a
handful
of
customers
.
You
have
a
book
of
business
as
a
freight
broker
.
You
then
go
out
on
your
own
and
you
start
managing
those
customers
and
managing
them
yourselves
,
and
now
there's
not
.
Now
I
don't
know
how
long
freight
agent
programs
have
existed
.
I
imagine
they've
existed
for
a
while
,
but
they
haven't
really
been
marketed
too
well
,
and
so
that's
where
I'm
coming
up
with
these
guides
,
just
to
sort
of
be
that
helpful
resource
for
them
.
But
more
and
more
I
think
about
it
.
Blythe Brumleve
40:31
I'm
wondering
if
the
freight
agent
model
is
one
of
the
best
models
for
entrepreneurs
in
freight
And
I'm
curious
to
hear
your
thoughts
.
Because
for
folks
who
don't
know
,
if
you
have
your
book
of
business
,
if
you're
a
freight
agent
,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
technology
upgrades
,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
back
office
accounting
things
like
that
.
The
parent
company
,
whoever
you're
part
of
that
program
,
takes
care
of
all
of
those
things
for
you
.
So
you
can
just
focus
,
ideally
on
your
customers
,
maybe
getting
new
customers
,
but
primarily
you're
working
with
a
handful
of
customers
and
you're
moving
their
freight
And
it's
a
really
lucrative
also
position
as
well
,
much
better
than
sort
of
,
i
guess
,
working
the
pound
in
the
phones
at
like
a
big
time
3PL
I
won't
name
any
names
here
But
I
think
it's
one
of
those
models
that
is
really
really
underserved
And
it's
one
of
those
opportunities
that
if
I
wasn't
so
annoyed
with
like
the
freight
broker
floor
,
i
probably
would
have
gone
into
something
like
this
.
Blythe Brumleve
41:38
What
are
your
thoughts
on
sort
of
the
freight
agent
model
,
because
I
know
you
had
some
ideas
on
what
maybe
some
other
good
business
opportunities
would
be
?
Grace Sharkey
41:48
So
I
think
I
have
mixed
feelings
on
it
.
It
really
just
depends
on
how
that
it's
actually
set
up
.
I
think
that
for
a
younger
person
just
getting
into
the
business
it's
,
it
would
be
a
lot
more
difficult
to
,
i
think
,
get
ramped
up
and
going
.
I
think
if
you
are
one
of
those
individuals
who
I
know
a
lot
of
freight
agents
who
have
been
like
shipper
managers
in
the
past
and
they
kind
of
transition
into
this
role
,
i
think
it's
a
yeah
,
you're
right
,
it's
a
really
great
way
to
make
a
living
,
but
it
depends
again
,
it
depends
on
who
you're
working
for
.
Like
I
know
also
,
though
,
a
lot
of
freight
agents
you
take
.
You
take
just
as
many
calls
after
hours
.
You
don't
really
have
a
team
to
fall
back
on
as
much
as
you
would
if
you
were
at
a
larger
brokerage
Now
,
i
will
say
larger
brokers
you
do
that
stuff
too
,
Like
ask
people
to
answer
the
phones
late
at
night
.
So
to
say
that
you
wouldn't
do
that
either
,
or
is
probably
not
fair
,
but
I
would
say
,
as
an
employee
,
yeah
,
i
do
like
the
agent
model
.
Grace Sharkey
42:56
I
think
there's
been
some
pushback
away
from
it
for
a
couple
of
reasons
.
One
,
a
lot
of
like
tax
law
,
right
,
how
you're
paying
the
agents
?
how
are
they
full
time
employees
?
Are
you
dictating
their
work
?
Kind
of
like
the
whole
ABF
type
of
situation
or
AB
sorry
,
ab5
situation
that
you've
seen
like
with
drivers
out
in
California
,
like
that
kind
of
those
issues
have
come
up
because
I
know
there
was
a
time
where
we're
considering
doing
more
of
like
a
freight
agent
program
in
my
past
But
the
way
that
we'd
have
to
pay
them
and
pay
taxes
like
just
wasn't
convenient
.
So
for
either
side
there's
people
losing
money
on
both
sides
.
So
that
was
part
of
it
.
I
also
would
be
a
little
bit
fearful
of
like
regulations
that
could
potentially
come
up
Like
right
now
I
know
that
the
FMCSA
is
looking
to
redefine
what
a
dispatcher
,
a
freight
agent
and
a
broker
is
.
So
being
in
that
kind
of
space
,
i
would
be
nervous
to
maybe
enter
into
.
Sorry
,
i
don't
know
what
I
have
going
on
right
now
.
It's
needs
an
alarm
but
I'm
late
.
So
,
yeah
,
i
don't
know
.
I
think
you
also
get
less
control
over
it
,
right
.
So
,
dependent
on
the
agency
and
how
it's
developed
,
sometimes
,
like
the
parent
company
will
let
you
pick
a
name
right
.
Landstar
,
i
think
,
has
done
this
a
couple
times
right
,
where
their
offices
kind
of
go
after
go
by
different
names
So
you
could
create
,
like
your
own
identity
that
way
.
Grace Sharkey
44:35
But
my
other
fear
would
be
that
,
as
I'm
going
out
in
cold
calling
,
if
I
am
an
agent
and
someone
experienced
a
bad
situation
underneath
a
different
agent
of
the
same
company
,
maybe
they
look
at
me
that
way
.
Right
,
you're
still
under
this
like
umbrella
of
a
company
,
so
it
depends
.
I'd
have
to
look
at
.
I
definitely
say
,
if
you're
going
into
an
agent
role
like
,
check
all
of
your
paperwork
,
ask
about
401k
That's
also
my
fear
,
right
?
Is
that
?
a
lot
of
time
,
agents
like
look
at
it
like
an
Uber
driver
,
like
,
yeah
,
you're
making
great
money
up
front
,
but
are
you
1099
?
Are
you
considering
in
your
taxes
that
you
have
to
pay
?
Are
you
considering
the
benefits
that
you
might
have
to
pay
for
yourself
and
all
of
that
?
Is
that
worth
the
time
?
or
just
going
underneath
a
large
brokerage
as
a
remote
worker
,
right
?
So
there's
definitely
ways
to
go
past
it
.
Grace Sharkey
45:29
I
would
say
,
though
,
leading
wise
,
if
I
had
to
choose
,
like
if
I
was
going
to
start
a
company
and
choose
which
one
I
wanted
to
do
,
i
would
probably
avoid
agent
at
all
costs
,
and
that's
because
I'm
a
control
freak
And
I
want
to
.
Well
,
you
know
,
if
I
want
the
experience
it's
.
And
this
is
where
this
is
where
the
non-competes
,
i
think
,
come
into
play
,
because
,
especially
for
an
agent
situation
,
this
is
where
the
questions
start
to
arise
.
If
you
have
an
,
let's
say
,
abc
Steel
Company
is
working
with
Jessica
and
they
love
the
work
that
she's
doing
,
jessica
decides
to
retire
.
Is
the
loyalty
with
Jessica
,
or
is
it
with
a
land
star
right
Or
someone
like
that
,
or
is
it
with
SPI
?
Grace Sharkey
46:13
So
you
get
stuck
in
this
situation
where
you're
just
like
I
want
to
be
able
to
control
my
brand
as
like
,
maybe
,
leadership
or
as
an
owner
,
and
that
means
I
want
to
control
the
experience
that
everyone's
having
,
regardless
of
who
that
person
is
.
That's
answering
those
questions
.
So
I
definitely
see
positives
in
all
directions
.
I
would
bet
that
the
way
that
technology
is
more
accessible
and
usable
today
,
free
agents
have
a
lot
more
resources
in
front
of
them
that
they
probably
had
in
the
didn't
have
in
the
past
,
which
is
could
be
very
useful
right
Now
that
technology
is
starting
to
get
out
there
more
and
there's
so
many
different
ways
that
you
can
easily
invest
in
your
transportation
business
,
where
in
the
past
it
was
,
i'd
say
,
a
lot
more
upfront
costs
.
Like
that's
a
little
bit
different
,
but
yeah
,
i
think
I've
always
been
a
fan
as
a
scaling
company
.
If
someone
,
a
company
,
that
wants
to
keep
growing
,
it
gets
messier
and
messier
the
more
agents
that
you
have
,
unless
that
you
can
control
right
.
Blythe Brumleve
47:16
So
In
your
experience
,
do
you
know
if
a
lot
of
these
companies
that
have
freight
agent
programs
,
if
they
also
have
an
in-house
brokerage
team
?
Grace Sharkey
47:29
That's
I've
,
and
I
kind
of
think
this
is
maybe
where
the
FMCSA
is
like
no
,
we
needed
to
find
these
people
differently
.
I
haven't
.
But
there
is
a
company
that
I've
knew
of
after
my
experience
that
I
was
introduced
to
And
I
remember
,
like
trying
to
figure
out
how
they
grew
so
fast
numbers-wise
.
I
was
like
wow
,
for
you
guys
to
only
be
a
couple
years
old
,
like
you
guys
got
really
grabbed
some
revenue
and
they
had
actually
worked
to
deal
out
with
their
past
agency
,
kind
of
like
a
transitioning
deal
where
it
was
like
we
want
to
start
our
own
thing
but
we
don't
have
the
back
office
that
you
have
,
we
don't
have
the
technology
.
We're
not
going
to
be
able
to
afford
that
up
front
for
the
first
two
years
as
we
run
this
business
.
Grace Sharkey
48:18
If
we
kick
you
a
certain
percent
back
,
can
we
use
your
resources
?
and
then
,
kind
of
like
,
do
it
like
a
step
program
out
of
the
relationship
.
And
so
I
think
there's
like
different
situations
where
,
like
those
are
,
people
have
done
that
before
.
But
if
there's
,
if
that's
how
they're
adding
to
it
again
,
i
would
be
interested
in
what
they're
taking
from
you
,
because
and
I
don't
mean
taking
from
you
like
they
don't
deserve
it
,
but
if
I
am
supporting
an
in-house
brokerage
that's
supporting
your
selling
operations
,
then
you're
probably
making
a
little
bit
less
than
you
would
if
you
were
just
handling
all
yourself
.
I
would
assume
.
Blythe Brumleve
48:58
Yeah
,
because
I
used
to
do
agent
commission
That
was
one
of
my
first
big
responsibilities
when
I
was
an
executive
assistant
is
okay
,
we
have
,
you
know
,
a
dozen
agents
.
We
need
somebody
to
do
the
commission
reports
And
so
I
would
have
to
go
through
and
do
the
commission
reports
And
typically
if
they
were
a
good
agent
,
you
could
get
up
to
80%
of
your
revenue
.
So
20%
goes
to
the
program
company
and
the
agent
gets
80%
.
Most
of
them
that
I
saw
and
that
I
hear
about
today
are
70
,
30
.
There
were
some
companies
that
were
60
,
40
,
especially
like
for
you
know
,
if
you're
just
getting
started
,
if
you've
never
been
afraid
agent
before
,
those
are
typically
the
numbers
that
you're
going
to
get
.
And
but
for
some
of
these
guys
,
if
you
have
a
big
customer
,
you
know
these
to
recruit
one
freight
agent
could
make
a
huge
impact
on
your
bottom
line
.
Blythe Brumleve
49:51
But
there's
also
the
.
I
guess
the
worry
,
i
think
from
the
agent's
point
of
view
,
is
if
you
have
an
in-house
brokerage
team
,
because
if
you
have
an
in-house
brokerage
team
then
that
loyalty
that
that
customer
has
could
technically
go
to
the
company
and
not
to
you
,
who
has
spent
years
sort
of
cultivating
that
relationship
.
So
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
worry
,
especially
among
freight
agents
,
to
go
to
companies
that
also
have
an
in-house
brokerage
team
.
So
where
I
was
,
that
we
did
have
an
in-house
brokerage
team
.
We
were
trying
to
build
the
freight
agent
program
up
,
but
this
was
I
mean
,
this
was
like
15
years
ago
,
so
I'm
sure
you
know
a
lot
of
things
have
changed
since
then
.
Blythe Brumleve
50:33
But
I
know
that
that's
a
big
selling
point
for
SPI
is
that
they
don't
have
the
in-house
brokerage
team
.
They
only
focus
on
their
agents
.
So
they
have
a
corporate
team
that
,
like
you
know
,
handles
all
you
know
,
like
HR
technology
,
custom
integrations
,
you
know
things
,
like
you
know
accounting
,
stuff
like
that
But
they
don't
have
anybody
in
their
offices
like
calling
to
,
you
know
check
loads
or
anything
like
that
.
It's
all
on
the
agent
,
which
is
,
you
know
,
maybe
what
they
prefer
maybe
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
safer
place
to
go
is
what
I
would
imagine
.
Grace Sharkey
51:05
Yeah
,
i
would
agree
,
especially
if
you're
a
little
bit
newer
too
and
you
want
that
support
.
I
think
that's
really
smart
too
,
and
just
make
sure
that
you're
getting
your
share
,
and
it
should
.
I
assume
it
works
out
pretty
well
for
them
.
Blythe Brumleve
51:19
Yeah
,
i
mean
.
well
,
i
know
,
with
SPI
in
particular
,
they
don't
take
new
agents
.
You
have
to
have
,
you
have
to
be
an
established
,
you
know
,
freight
agent
.
So
it's
typically
them
leaving
another
provider
to
come
to
SPI
or
somebody
who's
like
already
in
freight
sales
,
that
has
a
book
of
business
,
that
doesn't
have
to
worry
about
the
non-compete
.
So
those
are
the
two
markets
that
they
go
after
,
which
is
probably
the
same
,
for
you
know
a
lot
of
these
,
you
know
freight
agent
companies
out
here
,
but
I
think
only
a
handful
of
them
actually
Blythe Brumleve
51:51
.
does
Landstar
have
an
in-house
brokerage
team
?
Do
you
know
?
Grace Sharkey
51:56
I
don't
think
so
.
I'm
pretty
just
because
of
the
way
that
they've
worked
.
I'm
pretty
certain
that
they
have
the
individual
offices
have
like
are
run
as
like
individual
brokerages
,
Like
as
an
agent
,
you
can
kind
of
grow
your
own
office
,
right
,
Yeah
,
And
that's
how
they
can
support
it
instead
.
But
that's
a
good
question
.
Blythe Brumleve
52:20
I'm
not
a
fan
,
But
it
might
also
be
a
little
bit
different
for
them
too
,
because
you
know
you
have
to
get
your
licenses
and
stuff
like
that
.
So
,
as
a
broker
,
are
you
still
buying
those
licenses
if
you're
a
freight
?
It's
all
good
questions
.
I
guess
I
should
ask
you
know
the
podcast
sponsor
?
Blythe Brumleve
52:34
Yeah
,
And
that
would
actually
make
for
a
great
future
conversation
on
what
is
the
nuances
of
these
things
and
what
does
it
matter
and
why
.
But
I
know
that
that
one
point
of
do
you
have
an
in-house
brokerage
team
or
not
matters
to
agents
in
particular
,
because
they
don't
want
you
know
the
competition
from
the
in-house
brokerage
team
to
you
know
take
their
customers
or
have
the
threat
of
that
or
perceived
threat
of
that
even
happening
.
Grace Sharkey
52:57
Yeah
,
very
.
You
see
,
it's
interesting
looking
at
.
So
there's
a
so
like
.
For
instance
,
for
Landstar
agent
program
.
It
says
become
a
satellite
office
for
shipment
transport
.
So
Don
Ellis
and
I
don't
know
Don
,
so
if
good
service
,
bad
service
,
i
don't
know
,
you
figure
out
yourself
audience
,
but
that's
what
so
Don's
like
built
his
own
satellite
office
up
called
Shipment
Transport
that
works
underneath
the
Landstar
MC
,
right
,
and
so
it
looks
like
he's
got
contractor
.
You
can
be
a
contractor
where
you
basically
do
what
he's
doing
an
employee
,
see
,
and
this
is
like
you
get
health
insurance
.
So
that's
.
The
biggest
thing
is
I
would
be
concerned
less
with
,
like
,
how
I'm
backed
up
and
more
about
how
I'm
being
compensated
as
a
whole
,
because
the
contractor
side
of
it
,
which
is
more
the
agent
side
of
it
,
is
like
tax
benefits
from
owning
your
own
business
,
right
.
So
you
got
to
figure
that
all
about
yourself
.
And
then
the
other
one
It's
very
complicated
,
it
is
,
and
that's
.
Blythe Brumleve
54:08
It's
like
finding
that
out
right
now
.
Grace Sharkey
54:10
People
think
that
stuff
is
a
lot
easier
than
it
is
,
And
it's
not
.
And
it's
what
my
biggest
fear
is
that
people
get
you
know
into
this
and
then
they
hit
,
get
hit
with
their
tax
bill
,
not
realizing
yeah
,
70%
,
commission's
all
great
,
until
30%
of
that's
taken
away
in
taxes
at
the
end
of
the
year
.
Blythe Brumleve
54:29
Or
,
if
you're
,
you
hire
an
accounting
team
to
take
care
of
it
and
they
miss
one
of
those
payments
And
then
the
.
IRS
comes
back
on
you
a
year
and
a
half
later
,
which
is
currently
what
I'm
experiencing
.
So
yeah
it's
not
fun
.
Even
if
you
hire
a
company
to
take
care
of
it
for
you
,
it's
still
you
know
that
little
line
on
your
taxes
that
you
have
to
sign
,
that
even
if
a
CPA
,
you
know
,
did
these
for
you
,
you're
still
responsible
,
and
yada
,
yada
,
yada
.
Grace Sharkey
54:52
This
is
interesting
.
It
says
any
direct
customer
brought
to
the
agency
by
you
at
the
time
you
joined
us
will
pay
6%
.
we
will
pay
6%
commission
on
land
star
trucks
And
you
will
have
an
88
to
12
split
when
moved
with
an
outside
carrier
.
Blythe Brumleve
55:12
So
how
does
that
?
Oh
,
so
that's
how
they
have
their
own
trucks
,
so
that's
how
they're
an
asset
based
freight
agent
model
.
Okay
,
so
they
have
their
own
trucks
And
so
that's
that
dedicated
freight
or
those
dedicated
equipment
is
going
towards
,
you
know
,
their
agent
freight
.
Grace Sharkey
55:27
See
,
and
this
is
how
this
is
where
the
stuff
really
irritates
.
And
so
I
tell
people
,
like
,
read
the
fine
print
,
for
example
,
how
the
88
12
split
works
.
You
take
the
total
you're
billing
the
customer
and
you
have
88%
to
work
with
.
So
so
you're
already
break
.
This
is
already
hilarious
.
And
so
,
like
,
let's
just
say
90
to
make
that
easier
.
So
if
you
get
$1,000
from
the
customer
,
you
only
have
$900
to
work
with
,
And
the
margin
you
will
make
on
that
900
is
is
what
you
.
So
if
you
get
the
carrier
to
haul
75%
.
So
if
you
get
the
carrier
to
take
it
for
750
,
the
bill
amount
you
would
make
is
13%
.
So
if
you
pay
the
care
80%
you
would
make
,
so
800
,
you
would
make
8%
of
that
$100
of
that
difference
,
of
that
difference
.
Grace Sharkey
56:18
Yeah
,
so
you're
making
eight
bucks
And
see
how
,
like
that
,
like
even
when
you
say
88
,
that's
not
what
you
think
at
the
end
of
the
day
.
So
that's
where
it's
like
,
Commission
plans
are
really
interesting
to
me
,
And
so
I'll
just
always
read
,
especially
if
you're
going
down
the
agent
route
just
read
them
really
really
well
,
because
I
mean
,
that's
basically
making
eight
bucks
a
load
,
And
how
many
low
?
that's
the
other
thing
,
right
.
How
many
loads
can
you
book
without
losing
your
mind
in
a
day
?
Right
?
Blythe Brumleve
56:47
And
so
you're
still
probably
doing
all
of
the
tracking
and
all
of
the
communications
.
And
did
the
driver
fall
off
?
you
got
to
find
another
one
like
yours
,
probably
still
doing
all
of
those
things
.
Grace Sharkey
56:58
Exactly
.
So
let's
say
that
you're
like
a
bad
.
I
forgot
I
was
on
the
radio
,
if
I
could
swear
.
Let's
say
you're
like
a
badass
and
you
book
50
loads
a
day
.
I
mean
,
let's
say
an
average
you're
making
eight
bucks
,
So
that's
$400
.
That's
,
that's
pretty
great
.
But
it
says
up
here
at
that
in
your
own
employee
,
you're
also
making
$9
an
hour
.
So
nine
times
nine
,
81
.
So
you
made
$481
that
day
,
but
you
have
to
tax
it
,
which
is
probably
going
to
be
close
to
,
we'll
just
say
,
40%
.
So
you
made
224
bucks
that
day
,
which
is
not
terrible
.
Blythe Brumleve
57:38
And
that's
based
off
50
loads
,
which
is
a
lot
,
i
was
going
to
say
yeah
.
I
want
to
say
that
that's
not
average
at
all
,
especially
in
this
market
.
Grace Sharkey
57:47
No
,
like
that
.
I'm
assuming
you've
worked
there
for
a
couple
of
years
.
You
got
some
company
you
know
takes
like
20
little
.
Yeah
,
that's
a
lot
of
work
.
So
yeah
,
you're
basically
making
an
average
salary
at
the
end
of
the
day
.
And
that's
where
they
agent
models
annoy
me
,
because
they
do
all
this
stuff
that
makes
it
look
really
fun
and
easy
And
then
you
end
up
just
making
a
teacher
salary
at
the
end
of
the
year
.
Blythe Brumleve
58:10
It's
like
which
is
all
the
more
reason
to
research
those
afraid
agent
programs
before
search
best
afraid
agent
program
.
Grace Sharkey
58:19
Well
,
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
like
for
me
personally
I
think
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
show
before
it
goes
back
to
like
your
question
on
like
what's
the
right
number
right
for
a
truck
driver
?
Like
what
numbers
do
it
?
it
depends
.
I
mean
,
hell
,
if
you're
a
stay
at
home
,
mom
,
and
you
just
want
some
extra
cash
,
a
freight
agent
is
like
probably
a
great
job
for
you
to
take
,
right
,
like
that's
not
bad
at
all
to
contribute
an
extra
$30,000
a
year
to
your
household
with
,
yeah
,
that's
not
insignificant
.
Blythe Brumleve
58:48
No
,
so
the
job
might
not
,
and
that's
from
one
company
based
on
like
loose
math
that
we're
doing
,
you
know
,
in
30
seconds
.
So
take
it
with
a
grain
of
salt
on
in
that
regard
,
exactly
,
but
.
But
it's
definitely
one
of
those
,
because
we
are
writers
I
don't
know
that
.
we're
mathematicians
,
yeah
,
but
you
are
not
a
freight
broker
.
We
,
you
know
.
You
know
the
ropes
of
how
some
of
these
things
work
.
So
it's
interesting
to
dive
into
what
each
of
these
companies
are
offering
,
where
it
makes
the
most
sense
and
what
your
true
costs
are
going
to
be
.
All
of
these
questions
can
be
answered
as
you
go
through
that
sort
of
that
review
process
with
,
you
know
,
a
potential
partner
,
if
you're
going
to
take
that
route
.
But
I
think
you
,
you
had
another
business
idea
in
freight
that
you
thought
more
people
should
be
aware
of
What's
that
.
Grace Sharkey
59:38
What
was
that
?
I
know
I
put
in
my
notes
to
you
last
night
It
was
a
late
night
,
i
think
it
was
something
related
to
like
freight
tech
.
Oh
,
yes
,
yes
,
yes
.
So
I
was
.
I
was
kind
of
thinking
in
the
regards
to
this
like
what
would
I
do
if
I
ever
went
back
into
it
?
like
what
would
I
do
?
And
for
me
I
think
the
move
is
and
it's
interesting
tonight
.
Well
,
this
will
be
late
,
but
go
check
out
my
serious
XM
show
.
I'm
gonna
have
Rick
Larkin
on
the
show
tonight
.
Grace Sharkey
1:00:11
Yeah
,
bcb
transfer
the
loudest
guy
in
freight
,
that's
what
I
like
to
call
him
.
He
wakes
up
like
that
And
he's
got
he's
got
a
bigger
TV
set
up
than
freight
waves
itself
,
and
I
would
I
would
hate
him
for
it
if
it
wasn't
sonar
plastered
on
it
all
day
long
.
He's
just
,
it's
just
awesome
advertising
for
us
.
But
I
was
learning
about
some
work
that
he's
been
doing
with
a
company
called
Optimal
Dynamics
And
long
story
short
is
they
help
companies
like
BCB
transport
,
other
logistics
companies
,
take
a
hold
of
their
data
and
really
start
to
optimize
back
office
processes
and
decision
making
right
,
like
how
are
you
choosing
what
load
to
put
on
a
carrier
?
And
they
really
try
to
dismantle
the
thought
process
of
someone
like
Rick
who's
run
a
trucking
company
for
decades
.
Right
,
and
what's
really
interesting
is
it
?
the
change
management
part
is
really
what
not
only
Rick
learned
the
most
from
,
but
even
Optimal
Dynamics
as
well
.
Grace Sharkey
1:01:13
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I
I
talked
to
people
and
I
say
you
know
,
this
type
of
tech
I
think
is
very
interesting
.
Have
you
looked
into
it
And
they
?
they
maybe
have
,
or
they
had
a
bad
experience
.
I
see
this
a
lot
too
,
like
when
people
trying
to
look
into
like
outsource
,
maybe
use
companies
,
like
lean
solutions
,
things
like
that
,
and
whenever
you're
making
an
investment
into
that
type
of
space
,
it
takes
change
management
.
I
was
having
a
really
great
conversation
with
Evan
Shelley
about
this
at
the
future
supply
chain
,
because
the
easiest
change
management
is
telling
people
to
stop
doing
that
and
start
doing
it
this
way
and
just
and
just
stop
.
You
know
,
like
.
Well
,
what
if
we
just
let
no
,
just
like
,
stop
and
like
.
Grace Sharkey
1:01:58
As
humans
like
you
want
to
stay
so
close
to
like
what
we
know
and
the
in
the
actions
that
we
take
on
a
normal
basis
,
right
,
like
whether
it's
like
when
you
shower
or
how
often
you're
exercising
,
right
,
it's
like
we
get
stuck
in
our
ways
and
we
want
to
push
against
what
people
are
telling
us
,
just
because
we're
not
comfortable
with
it
,
even
if
it's
best
.
And
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
the
work
I
was
doing
before
I
entered
into
the
space
that
I'm
in
now
And
I
just
I
find
it
really
interesting
how
we
need
people
still
,
we
need
the
human
mind
in
this
space
,
but
we
also
need
to
leverage
the
technology
better
,
and
I
love
being
able
to
.
There's
nothing
I
find
more
fulfilling
than
sitting
with
a
entry
level
employee
or
lower
level
employee
who's
in
it
every
day
grinding
,
and
you
get
them
to
maybe
do
something
a
little
bit
differently
and
it
clicks
.
You
know
like
it
works
and
they
see
it
and
they're
like
oh
okay
,
like
that
,
i
think
,
is
so
much
fun
.
And
that's
where
technology
really
starts
to
work
And
that's
where
you
know
Rick
himself
was
even
you
know
they
ended
up
finding
that
he
could
run
the
operation
making
the
same
revenue
he's
doing
with
16
less
trucks
than
he
was
.
Grace Sharkey
1:03:15
He
would
so
flip
that
around
.
They
were
able
to
find
ways
for
him
,
just
in
the
fleet
he
had
alone
,
to
increase
revenue
per
truck
by
almost
20%
.
And
that's
just
by
,
instead
of
saying
,
hey
,
whatever
decision
you
use
to
make
when
choosing
a
driver
in
the
past
choose
,
let
the
,
let
the
AI
,
let
the
technology
choose
for
you
and
see
what
happens
.
And
that's
just
like
where
I
like
to
challenge
people
is
like
try
it
,
try
some
of
this
stuff
and
see
if
it
works
for
you
.
And
the
other
side
that
I
find
interesting
is
like
why
?
why
won't
you
like
what's
push
,
what's
keeping
humans
like
so
focused
on
doing
things
,
old
school
that
they're
not
willing
to
change
a
little
bit
?
So
change
management
,
i
think
,
is
going
to
be
huge
in
this
industry
.
The
more
tech
that
we
add
,
the
more
data
that
we
consume
,
change
management
is
going
to
become
,
i
think
,
pretty
big
.
So
that's
that's
where
I
would
eventually
like
to
get
into
at
some
point
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:04:14
That's
there
.
There's
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
Eric
Kimberling
I
think
I'm
pronouncing
his
last
name
right
but
he
focuses
specifically
on
change
management
at
the
software
level
.
I
was
on
his
podcast
,
i
think
,
about
a
year
ago
,
and
he
has
a
social
media
presence
and
this
kind
of
kind
of
like
I
guess
a
little
bit
kind
of
related
to
what
you're
talking
about
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:04:34
That
kind
of
content
does
really
well
because
and
I
think
it
does
really
well
because
a
lot
of
people
struggle
with
it
.
They
struggle
with
picking
a
new
software
and
why
and
what
that
looks
like
,
because
sometimes
these
purchases
are
made
in
a
vacuum
where
you
know
it's
a
VP
that
got
sold
on
it
and
you
know
they
want
to
buy
the
shiny
new
tech
toy
and
then
they
don't
actually
talk
to
the
people
in
the
trenches
that
are
going
to
be
using
these
tools
and
how
it
would
fit
into
their
day
.
So
it's
almost
like
forced
on
some
employees
versus
like
is
this
actually
going
to
make
sense
for
how
we
operate
our
company
today
,
which
you
know
kudos
to
optimal
dynamics
for
helping
folks
to
save
money
with
their
existing
equipment
and
not
,
you
know
,
having
to
?
you
know
,
purchase
,
you
know
,
17
more
trucks
and
you're
you
know
you'll
run
more
efficiently
,
or
you
know
?
whoever
is
trying
to
sell
that
notion
,
yeah
it
was
interesting
.
Grace Sharkey
1:05:27
They're
very
open
and
honest
about
it
.
Like
you
know
,
i
think
a
tech
people
want
to
go
in
and
just
like
,
just
click
the
button
,
rick
,
in
a
work
,
you
know
,
and
you
can't
do
that
with
certain
types
of
customers
.
And
so
they
found
like
not
only
did
they
learn
a
lot
about
the
industry
by
sitting
someone
in
the
office
every
single
day
,
they
like
they
use
,
they
had
like
a
special
day
of
the
week
that
they
would
It's
like
optimal
,
optimal
,
dynamic
stay
or
something
like
that
where
to
like
slowly
get
them
into
it
,
like
once
a
week
.
They
would
only
only
the
robot
can
make
the
decision
like
not
,
and
so
Slowly
got
them
to
understand
.
Grace Sharkey
1:06:04
But
it
also
gave
the
BCB
team
time
to
sit
back
and
say
well
,
i
know
it's
choosing
this
,
but
it
can't
choose
this
because
maybe
X
,
y
and
Z
that
the
algorithm
hasn't
truly
picked
up
yet
.
So
true
,
both
sides
are
like
no
,
this
takes
learning
and
time
and
it's
worth
the
investment
.
Like
for
optimal
dynamics
,
it's
worth
putting
someone
in
there
to
have
a
long
term
customer
right
.
Yeah
,
in
a
really
great
outcome
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:06:32
They
also
Blythe Brumleve
1:06:33
.
I
met
them
at
manifest
because
their
their
CEO
is
really
personable
.
Actually
I
filmed
I
think
you
were
,
you
saw
me
filming
these
like
one
minute
logistics
videos
and
it's
actually
with
their
CEO
.
So
I
did
one
of
them
with
them
and
it
was
just
on
a
whim
because
I
stopped
by
their
booth
And
they
had
the
one
of
the
coolest
like
marketing
promo
items
I've
ever
seen
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:06:54
I
wish
I
still
had
it
.
but
I
kind
of
ripped
it
up
just
to
see
what
the
guts
looked
like
of
it
.
But
it
was
a
booklet
,
that's
a
cardboard
booklet
and
sprained
it
of
course
.
but
you
open
up
the
booklet
and
automatically
a
video
with
sound
plays
.
So
it
just
felt
like
a
normal
,
like
kind
of
brochure
kind
of
product
.
But
as
soon
as
you
opened
it
up
a
video
is
playing
inside
of
the
promo
.
So
it
gives
like
a
full
,
like
one
minute
explanation
on
who
optimal
dynamic
dynamics
is
.
And
the
marketing
director
she
was
saying
how
she
had
to
have
a
hand
program
each
one
of
these
things
by
loading
on
the
file
onto
it
.
So
that's
that's
why
I
ripped
it
apart
,
just
to
see
like
how
that
process
looked
.
But
I
kept
that
thing
for
like
four
months
just
because
it
was
so
cool
and
I
would
just
periodically
hit
,
hit
,
play
on
it
.
Grace Sharkey
1:07:42
Love
that
.
No
,
it's
a
great
company
And
hopefully
you
guys
check
out
the
episode
.
I'd
like
to
have
them
.
I
think
we're
going
to
try
to
get
them
on
Thomas's
show
too
,
so
but
go
check
it
out
They
.
I
did
an
article
on
the
partnership
and
it's
it's
pretty
interesting
.
I'm
excited
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
of
Rick's
side
in
the
interview
tonight
,
so
I'm
excited
to
hear
more
about
maybe
his
pain
points
too
,
so
it
should
be
fun
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:08:07
Yeah
,
he's
good
people
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:08:08
I
see
in
what
they're
doing
with
BCB
live
,
which
is
different
from
BCB
transport
.
Bcb
transport
is
their
trucking
division
,
so
they
have
to
completely
kind
of
even
though
they
have
the
same
name
,
but
they
kind
of
have
to
split
those
two
off
because
of
what
BCB
live
is
doing
with
the
big
TV
with
,
you
know
,
their
new
broadcasts
located
building
that
they
just
built
out
.
So
they're
doing
a
lot
of
really
cool
things
,
so
so
shout
outs
to
them
All
right
.
Next
topic
Do
the
people
want
us
to
dunk
on
Meghan
Markle
more
?
I
think
that
is
a
yes
,
because
,
for
folks
who
do
not
know
Meghan
Markle
and
Prince
Harry
,
they
famously
scored
a
couple
of
deals
to
sell
out
their
entire
family
and
future
opportunities
to
Netflix
and
to
Oprah
and
to
also
Spotify
as
well
All
exclusive
deals
that
are
currently
not
getting
renewed
.
Also
,
fun
fact
if
you
try
to
search
for
the
famous
Harry
and
Meghan
interview
on
Oprah's
website
,
it
is
no
longer
on
the
website
.
Grace Sharkey
1:09:12
Really
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:09:12
Curious
,
really
,
oprah
,
really
,
i
did
the
search
myself
.
Well
,
what
I
think
happened
is
because
they
spilled
.
So
Oprah
,
you
know
,
wants
to
get
in
with
the
Royal
family
and
has
wanted
to
for
years
.
But
you
got
to
play
ball
.
If
you
go
in
with
the
Royal
family
,
they'll
give
you
news
,
they'll
give
you
access
,
but
they're
a
lot
like
the
NFL
,
where
if
they're
going
to
give
you
access
,
they're
going
to
dangle
it
like
a
carrot
And
if
you
don't
do
well
with
that
access
,
you're
not
going
to
be
approved
for
future
scoops
.
So
yeah
,
so
that
interview
was
conducted
,
but
I
would
imagine
that
Oprah
regrets
that
now
because
she
is
no
longer
in
the
Royal
family
circle
,
which
brings
us
back
to
those
,
all
of
those
exclusive
deals
that
are
evaporating
very
,
very
quickly
,
and
one
of
those
is
the
podcast
archetypes
.
Grace Sharkey
1:10:08
So
crazy
dude
.
So
in
saying
,
are
you
going
to
share
with
everyone
what
happened
?
Blythe Brumleve
1:10:14
Go
,
go
,
you
sound
like
you're
ready
.
Grace Sharkey
1:10:18
So
apparently
this
chick
wasn't
even
doing
the
interviews
all
the
time
.
They
sent
an
intern
in
there
and
then
the
intern
was
asking
the
questions
and
then
they
just
recorded
over
her
speaking
,
which
puts
the
whole
not
Whitney
Houston
,
oh
my
God
Mariah
Carey
episode
into
a
complete
different
view
for
me
,
because
now
I
understand
why
she
got
so
mad
so
fast
because
some
little
intern
over
here
,
first
of
all
Mariah
Carey
show
.
Can
you
imagine
?
Mariah
Carey
shows
up
to
this
little
booth
and
she's
like
okay
,
who
are
you
?
We're
talking
about
Mariah
Carey
like
the
most
Eva
as
person
in
the
whole
world
.
And
then
this
little
peon
of
a
person
who
no
one's
ever
heard
of
starts
talking
to
Mariah
Carey
about
how
she's
a
diva
.
And
I
would
have
been
,
like
,
i
said
,
that
whole
episode
put
into
perspective
,
because
I
thought
that
she
was
just
upset
with
the
way
that
what's
her
name
was
talking
with
her
,
because
Megan
asked
her
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:11:25
So
archetypes
is
you
know
that
.
I
guess
the
thought
process
behind
it
if
I'm
trying
to
put
myself
in
her
mind
was
she
wanted
to
pick
us
a
movie
star
and
then
a
phrase
that
has
,
quote
unquote
,
negative
connotations
to
it
and
try
to
make
it
empowering
.
That
was
her
goal
with
the
podcast
.
And
so
diva
was
the
phrase
for
Mariah
.
I
forget
what
the
phrase
was
for
Serena
,
but
to
your
point
,
she's
inviting
these
very
high
caliber
people
that
are
showing
up
to
the
studio
that
Spotify
paid
to
have
built
inside
of
her
own
house
,
megan
Markle's
house
because
she
could
not
,
she
wasn't
producing
any
episodes
,
and
so
they
thought
,
if
we
build
a
studio
in
your
home
,
it
will
make
it
a
lot
easier
for
you
to
produce
more
episodes
.
That
did
not
work
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:12:16
Well
,
she's
doing
this
whole
time
.
She
had
26
people
and
I
think
I've
said
this
before
,
but
she
had
26
people
working
on
this
podcast
,
which
would
explain
the
interns
asking
the
questions
.
So
if
these
high
caliber
stars
are
showing
up
to
your
podcast
,
arguably
they're
doing
you
probably
the
favor
,
not
the
other
way
around
.
Maybe
at
that
time
they
thought
,
oh
,
we're
going
to
go
.
You
know
,
sit
down
with
somebody
who
is
royal
,
married
into
royalty
,
i
should
say
,
and
we'll
get
the
caliber
of
maybe
that
access
.
No
,
it
was
other
people
asking
these
high
caliber
people
the
questions
and
then
they
would
edit
in
redub
Megan
would
record
separately
asking
the
questions
and
then
they
would
dub
those
in
as
if
it
was
a
conversation
that
the
two
of
these
people
shared
.
Grace Sharkey
1:13:11
I
want
to
know
what
Beyonce
thinks
about
this
,
because
that
whole
Netflix
,
remember
she
?
she's
like
oh
my
God
,
Beyonce
texted
me
.
She's
like
keep
doing
what
you're
doing
,
girly
,
or
something
Logistics
,
girly
,
keep
doing
what
you're
doing
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:13:26
I
doubt
she's
sending
those
texts
now
.
Grace Sharkey
1:13:29
There's
no
way
.
Oprah
bringing
that
down
sounds
like
a
Beyonce
phone
call
,
Like
late
night
.
Oprah
,
take
this
woman
down
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:13:39
Or
just
Oprah
trying
to
apologize
to
the
royal
somehow
in
order
to
get
that
kind
of
access
,
because
the
royal
family
is
going
to
be
around
for
,
i
mean
,
maybe
generations
.
I
guess
we'll
find
out
.
They've
been
around
for
a
thousand
years
,
so
chances
are
they're
going
to
be
around
for
a
little
bit
longer
,
much
longer
than
somebody
like
Megan
.
But
I
just
find
it
so
fascinating
how
you
had
such
an
opportunity
of
a
lifetime
to
be
brought
in
,
to
make
history
,
be
a
part
of
history
books
for
years
and
years
and
you
claim
to
have
all
of
these
things
that
you
care
about
so
desperately
.
You
know
women's
empowerment
and
equal
rights
and
you
know
campaigning
for
these
issues
all
over
the
.
You
had
that
opportunity
to
be
that
change
you
want
to
see
in
the
world
and
you
just
shit
all
over
it
to
the
point
where
these
companies
are
saying
goodbye
,
oprah's
,
taking
down
your
interview
,
you're
not
getting
the
calls
back
and
people
are
seeing
you
for
the
grifter
that
you
are
And
just
it's
so
crazy
to
know
that
Prince
Harry
is
not
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:14:50
You
know
he
definitely
has
fault
in
this
,
but
how
could
you
not
see
this
,
how
could
you
not
see
these
red
flags
ahead
of
time
?
And
you
chose
his
life
.
It's
wild
to
be
you
,
said
.
He
said
goodbye
to
everything
,
everything
he's
ever
known
for
this
woman
,
and
now
he's
an
embarrassment
.
He's
a
laughing
stock
on
South
Park
.
Grace Sharkey
1:15:12
Oh
great
,
because
he
almost
was
a
laughing
stock
before
you
know
,
and
it's
just
like
he
,
just
he
,
just
he
said
I'm
going
to
double
down
on
this
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:15:20
Which
is
also
.
Grace Sharkey
1:15:22
It's
so
bad
people
don't
even
make
ginger
jokes
about
him
anymore
.
Like
you're
way
past
no
soul
Like
it's
just
he
was
protected
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:15:32
I
think
it's
so
much
more
clear
now
how
much
he
was
protected
by
the
royal
family
,
where
they
put
him
in
positions
where
he
could
be
the
lovable
goofball
that
you
know
pokes
fun
at
his
brother
and
you
know
his
brother
is
fine
with
it
.
But
if
this
was
a
hundred
years
ago
,
even
200
years
ago
,
if
you
were
talking
about
the
future
king
in
that
regard
,
or
the
future
queen
like
both
of
them
too
would
be
hung
out
in
the
street
,
they
would
they
off
with
their
heads
like
would
not
.
This
would
not
be
a
discussion
that
would
be
had
anymore
.
And
that's
what's
so
fascinating
to
me
is
that
he
has
just
completely
ruined
this
.
This
is
the
second
son
syndrome
which
I
think
I've
talked
about
before
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:16:15
You
know
on
here
,
that
is
just
so
fascinating
what
goes
on
in
these
,
in
these
the
heads
of
men
that
are
not
going
to
be
the
king
or
not
going
to
succeed
,
you
know
,
whatever
throne
,
because
there's
still
like
something
like
100
royal
families
that
exist
all
over
the
globe
still
to
this
day
,
but
that
you
know
the
firstborn
son
having
that
lineage
and
not
being
it
,
what
that
psychologically
does
to
a
man
.
I
mean
there's
a
whole
army
in
Game
of
Thrones
called
the
Second
Sons
,
because
they're
looking
for
purpose
in
life
.
Grace Sharkey
1:16:46
Yeah
,
That's
so
.
That's
what
I
was
just
thinking
.
I
was
like
,
what
do
these
people
do
,
Like
,
what
are
their
lives
like
?
Blythe Brumleve
1:16:54
They
just
like
wake
up
and
then
like
do
you
think
he
knows
how
to
pay
regular
bills
?
No
,
no
way
.
Grace Sharkey
1:17:02
Like
he's
40
years
old
,
You
don't
know
anything
like
,
like
even
laundry
,
like
I'd
be
interested
into
,
like
knowing
,
and
that's
why
,
right
,
when
all
this
came
out
,
like
what
their
budget
needed
to
be
in
all
this
shit
,
and
it's
like
,
what
are
you
talking
about
?
Like
,
yeah
,
that's
sure
budget
if
you're
going
to
live
in
like
LA
,
but
why
don't
you
live
at
somewhere
normal
?
right
,
you
want
to
be
normal
Grace Sharkey
1:17:25
.
So
bad
,
wow
,
it
was
all
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:17:28
It
was
all
a
ruse
,
but
very
fascinating
,
very
,
very
.
I
guess
the
comeuppance
has
come
and
I
am
I'm
cheering
it
on
the
entire
way
,
even
one
of
my
I
guess
love
hate
creators
.
It
was
very
like
pro
Meghan
Markle
for
the
last
like
three
years
that
she
will
look
for
a
way
to
defend
Meghan
.
Over
the
last
couple
of
months
,
though
,
she's
kind
of
a
.
It's
interesting
watching
her
content
shift
away
from
covering
anything
Meghan
Markle
related
to
.
Now
she's
going
to
she's
focusing
on
like
Kate
versus
Camilla
and
making
up
stories
there
which
is
just
like
wow
,
just
we're
just
watching
her
the
transition
in
real
life
as
we
speak
.
Grace Sharkey
1:18:14
It's
funny
because
I
was
like
I
wonder
what
Spotify
stock
is
like
,
because
even
I'm
sitting
here
and
I'm
like
what
did
Rebs
like
?
wasn't
Kim
Kardashian
supposed
to
do
like
a
podcast
to
for
,
like
,
yep
,
A
ton
of
money
?
When
did
that
come
?
Blythe Brumleve
1:18:27
out
,
but
they
didn't
And
that's
where
the
fault
is
.
also
,
there's
a
partial
blame
for
Spotify
as
well
,
because
you
make
,
you
made
all
of
these
investments
into
celebrity
talent
to
create
content
,
when
a
lot
of
this
They're
not
experienced
podcasters
and
podcasters
it's
a
long
game
,
it's
a
lot
of
hours
of
investment
.
You're
not
going
to
.
you
know
,
make
.
I
mean
,
unless
you're
like
Conan
O'Brien
or
somebody
who
can
make
that
transition
from
TV
to
podcasting
.
you
know
pretty
seamlessly
which
he
has
done
.
There's
not
many
other
people
that
could
do
that
And
there's
not
.
you
know
,
with
podcasting
is
it's
a
long
game
And
I
think
for
like
a
Kim
Kardashian
type
of
person
,
it's
very
like
short
thinking
for
her
maybe
.
Grace Sharkey
1:19:14
Oh
yeah
,
no
,
it's
not
doing
too
hot
,
At
least
over
three
years
.
So
I
was
like
what's
their
stock
like
Right
around
?
because
I
think
21
was
when
they
started
announcing
all
these
different
things
.
That
was
364
there
at
156
today
,
yikes
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:19:32
And
that's
I
mean
,
a
lot
of
their
money
is
being
spent
on
these
,
on
this
talent
,
that's
just
.
It's
also
not
bringing
in
the
audience
numbers
,
unless
you're
like
Joe
Rogan
,
which
is
just
such
an
outlier
.
It's
not
to
make
any
kind
of
comparisons
but
,
as
a
podcaster
,
to
from
the
business
aspect
of
it
,
when
you're
signing
these
exclusivity
deals
,
you're
only
on
Spotify
.
The
overwhelming
majority
of
the
podcast
market
still
listens
on
an
Apple
device
,
and
so
you're
just
cutting
your
audience
,
or
your
potential
audience
,
by
60%
just
by
going
exclusive
to
Spotify
.
So
it's
a
little
bit
tougher
to
gain
that
traction
,
even
when
Spotify
is
like
artificially
pumping
you
up
to
,
like
you
know
,
the
top
five
spots
,
which
is
exactly
what
they
did
with
Megan's
podcast
.
When
it
first
launched
,
they
said
it
was
something
like
the
third
overall
podcast
in
the
world
,
or
at
one
point
,
you
know
,
for
maybe
like
two
hours
it
beat
out
Joe
Rogan's
and
I'm
like
,
yeah
,
not
a
chance
.
So
the
Spotify
just
took
that
podcast
and
pumped
it
up
in
their
ratings
in
order
to
try
to
make
you
know
a
buck
back
on
these
failed
investments
,
these
failed
exclusivity
deals
,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
tough
road
for
a
lot
of
different
shows
If
you
choose
to
go
the
exclusive
route
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:20:44
I
just
don't
see
.
I
don't
see
how
it
makes
sense
to
go
to
Spotify
,
even
like
a
like
a
caller
daddy
situation
.
Like
,
as
soon
as
her
deal
is
up
,
she's
probably
going
to
leave
because
she
knows
that
her
audience
has
suffered
,
especially
from
like
a
growth
standpoint
.
It
was
growing
a
hell
of
a
lot
more
when
it
was
on
barstool
,
because
you're
on
all
the
platforms
and
versus
just
Spotify
.
But
she
got
a
$10
million
check
or
like
a
hundred
million
or
something
ridiculous
from
Spotify
in
order
to
go
and
that's
life
changing
money
for
her
.
But
for
like
Harry
and
Megan
which
is
Harry
,
i
don't
know
if
you
heard
of
like
Harry's
podcast
ideas
,
because
he
was
originally
supposed
to
be
part
of
this
and
he
never
was
,
but
he
had
pitched
different
podcast
episodes
where
he
would
invite
world
leaders
on
his
show
and
talk
to
them
about
their
childhood
trauma
and
two
of
the
names
that
he
mentioned
were
Vladimir
Putin
and
the
Pope
.
Grace Sharkey
1:21:46
What
Does
he
have
?
does
he
think
he
has
that
poll
too
?
The
delusions
If
I
.
I
mean
,
if
I
could
have
anyone
,
i
would
say
Putin's
got
to
be
the
first
Jesus
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:22:01
And
Putin's
going
to
come
on
your
show
to
talk
about
his
childhood
trauma
.
Grace Sharkey
1:22:07
He's
going
to
talk
about
your
childhood
trauma
and
how
he's
going
to
take
over
your
country
,
because
you're
so
weak
from
childhood
trauma
.
That's
wild
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:22:19
Well
,
i
guess
that's
kind
of
a
good
point
to
bring
up
our
next
topic
,
and
that
is
our
favorite
conspiracy
theories
,
because
it's
kind
of
a
you
know
,
when
you
,
i
guess
,
when
you're
faking
a
podcast
.
It
kind
of
ties
into
my
favorite
conspiracy
theory
at
the
moment
and
that
is
people
faking
podcast
interviews
for
clout
,
so
to
sort
of
I
guess
you
know
,
set
the
stage
a
little
bit
.
We're
all
clout
chasers
over
here
apparently
.
So
,
like
a
typical
interview
setup
,
like
like
what
we're
doing
here
,
we're
talking
to
each
other
,
and
so
in
post
production
we'll
be
able
to
edit
this
video
and
be
able
to
show
,
like
that
singular
,
that
single
shot
,
maybe
add
some
b-roll
to
it
.
But
it
that's
what
every
you
know
most
content
creators
are
doing
is
that
they're
taking
the
recording
a
podcast
,
in
a
video
format
like
this
,
and
then
the
video
serves
,
as
you
know
,
tools
to
create
social
media
friendly
clips
to
promote
the
episode
.
So
sometimes
you'll
put
the
full
episode
up
on
YouTube
and
then
you'll
make
,
you
know
,
video
clips
from
it
.
But
you'll
also
have
the
podcast
version
as
well
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:23:29
Well
,
there
are
now
quote
unquote
influencers
that
are
faking
this
because
they
want
to
see
more
important
than
they
are
,
and
so
these
are
becoming
like
ad
campaigns
.
They're
becoming
.
It's
becoming
a
whole
thing
.
So
I'm
going
to
play
this
video
because
this
actually
comes
from
a
woman
that
I
actually
really
like
and
she
talks
about
what's
going
on
in
social
media
.
But
let
me
go
ahead
and
play
the
clip
Check
,
yeah
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:24:32
So
obviously
the
topic
is
probably
not
going
to
be
appealing
to
a
lot
of
folks
,
but
if
you're
just
listening
to
it
,
basically
what
they
showed
is
a
woman
that
is
sitting
at
a
podcast
microphone
.
She's
got
the
you
know
I
guess
call
out
like
purple
lighting
in
the
background
.
So
it's
very
like
podcast
vibe
.
Who
would
do
such
a
thing
?
Tacky
.
But
then
they
move
into
an
ad
and
so
this
is
performing
really
,
really
well
from
an
advertising
standpoint
.
But
I
just
think
it's
so
cringy
that
you
have
to
.
Why
not
just
set
up
an
interview
with
a
podcaster
who
are
always
looking
for
guests
and
topics
to
discuss
?
Why
go
as
far
as
to
fake
all
of
these
things
?
Why
not
just
have
the
discussion
and
release
the
entire
discussion
?
Why
do
you
have
to
go
to
the
links
of
?
you
know
,
almost
like
the
influencers
that
will
rent
a
private
jet
and
it's
just
like
a
movie
set
that
they
go
and
take
photos
in
just
to
have
the
appearance
that
they've
been
on
a
private
jet
.
That's
what
this
feels
like
to
me
.
Grace Sharkey
1:25:37
Yeah
,
a
thousand
,
yes
.
And
I've
seen
those
setups
too
where
it's
like
people
can
go
in
there
right
and
take
pictures
in
the
gen
,
all
that
stuff
.
You
know
,
i
guess
for
me
it's
like
is
the
values
,
the
money
value
,
really
there
?
Are
you
spending
?
Are
you
making
that
much
more
off
these
videos
,
doing
that
stuff
?
because
it's
so
at
some
level
I
can't
blame
you
,
but
I
also
I
guess
I
would
not
be
able
to
live
that
lie
as
well
,
like
I
think
what
would
be
funnier
content
would
be
to
be
in
the
airplane
and
then
to
like
jump
out
of
it
and
someone
be
like
what's
that's
happening
?
Grace Sharkey
1:26:16
It's
like
it's
clearly
a
fake
plane
.
You
know
,
like
that
I
couldn't
.
I
couldn't
sit
somewhere
in
like
a
fake
environment
and
just
be
like
,
oh
yes
,
like
even
making
a
fake
podcast
that
maybe
it's
because
I
make
podcasts
all
day
long
here
,
but
that's
.
It
takes
a
lot
of
time
to
do
that
.
And
again
,
one
of
those
situations
where
it's
like
God
,
if
you
just
would
like
put
that
energy
towards
like
creating
your
own
authentic
content
,
wouldn't
life
be
easier
?
Blythe Brumleve
1:26:45
Right
,
and
wouldn't
it
make
it
so
much
,
you
know
from
even
like
a
marketing
lens
,
like
why
not
set
up
the
interview
with
a
podcaster
and
then
you
can
take
,
you
know
that
video
ahead
of
.
You
can
ask
ahead
of
time
Hey
,
can
I
get
a
copy
of
the
assets
whenever
we're
done
recording
and
when
you
get
it
scheduled
?
That's
typically
,
i
know
I
provided
I
know
other
podcasters
will
provide
that
once
the
episode
goes
live
,
of
course
,
because
you
don't
want
you
know
somebody
else
getting
the
jump
on
releasing
an
episode
before
you
have
.
But
they
can
use
that
video
to
create
their
own
social
media
content
because
it
promotes
the
show
that
you
were
just
on
.
So
if
you
can
,
you
know
,
do
all
that
for
to
pose
a
you
know
10
second
long
video
to
ask
a
question
,
why
not
just
invest
those
same
resources
into
just
contacting
a
podcaster
and
they
can
create
in
you
know
30
minutes
,
45
minutes
of
content
And
then
you
can
have
dozens
and
dozens
of
clips
to
potentially
pick
from
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:27:45
So
it
just
seems
like
a
gigantic
waste
And
you
know
,
now
that
I've
seen
it
,
i've
seen
that
that
the
fake
side
of
those
podcast
interviews
Now
I
notice
it
on
a
lot
more
videos
now
And
it's
interesting
to
see
who
is
taking
that
as
,
because
they're
they're
typically
like
the
guru
types
,
they're
the
you
know
,
by
my
course
,
that
from
an
industry
that
I've
never
worked
in
,
type
vibes
,
you
know
the
business
life
coach
that
it
feels
very
much
like
that
market
to
me
.
Grace Sharkey
1:28:17
Yeah
,
very
Yeah
,
In
your
face
.
You
want
to
make
a
thousand
dollars
next
week
.
Here's
right
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:28:24
Avon
or
selling
some
kind
of
like
pyramid
scheme
or
something
like
that
.
Grace Sharkey
1:28:28
Yeah
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:28:29
That's
what
it
feels
.
It
just
feels
icky
to
me
.
So
so
that's
my
,
my
conspiracy
story
.
Grace
,
what's
yours
?
Grace Sharkey
1:28:37
What
is
mine
?
I
have
a
I
have
.
let's
see
how
this
audience
takes
to
this
one
,
this
one
I'm
,
like
you
know
proof
.
no
,
no
,
it's
just
my
personal
thoughts
,
my
own
personal
conspiracy
theory
.
I
don't
think
we
ever
planned
on
saving
those
people
in
Ocean
Gates
And
I
was
really
hoping
yours
is
going
to
be
Titanic
related
It
is
.
Grace Sharkey
1:29:01
I'm
so
glad
because
that
story
is
wild
.
Listen
,
apparently
like
I
heard
this
fact
that
we've
actually
it's
safer
to
like
visit
space
than
it
is
to
go
to
the
bottom
of
the
ocean
.
So
you
know
,
if
you
are
my
audience
,
you
know
me
,
i
love
space
.
So
take
that
as
it
is
.
you
know
,
and
I
was
.
so
the
reason
I
was
reading
this
article
about
like
what
potentially
this
could
have
cost
,
like
American
taxpayer
,
some
blah
,
blah
,
blah
,
i
don't
think
we
were
ever
really
trying
to
begin
with
.
I
just
think
that
we
were
like
,
hey
,
coast
Guard
,
just
like
go
out
there
a
little
bit
right
,
because
I
was
also
reading
the
chances
of
us
,
let's
say
we
did
find
them
,
like
we
would
have
had
to
like
create
like
something
that
doesn't
exist
,
to
like
go
down
there
,
bring
it
up
slowly
and
enough
time
that
they
also
had
oxygen
without
it
exploding
inside
itself
,
which
it
did
anyways
.
And
I
just
I
really
don't
think
anyone
tried
and
I
don't
blame
them
in
a
way
for
it
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:30:13
Apparently
,
the
US
military
knew
their
fate
pretty
immediately
and
just
didn't
tell
anybody
.
Yeah
,
exactly
.
So
the
entire
world
is
obsessing
about
this
and
search
crews
and
all
you
know
to
your
point
.
all
of
that
wasted
money
And
they
do
.
Grace Sharkey
1:30:31
It's
funny
because
,
you
know
,
my
family
has
like
a
group
chat
,
you
know
,
and
I
have
like
a
very
liberal
family
,
so
it's
like
it's
always
like
something
happened
.
Now
.
But
you
got
to
understand
from
my
perspective
,
like
I'm
living
and
breathing
freight
all
day
and
like
so
well
,
this
is
happening
.
We're
at
in
Cleveland
,
you
know
,
and
so
I'm
like
just
watching
our
group
chat
like
will
they
be
alive
,
you
know
,
and
I'm
like
what's
going
on
?
I'm
having
like
a
glass
of
rose
and
I'm
like
what's
happening
.
And
so
like
I
remember
getting
home
and
being
like
,
oh
okay
,
yeah
,
they're
dead
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:31:10
Like
it's
not
so
yeah
,
i
feel
bad
smiling
at
this
moment
,
but
it's
also
like
just
everything
that
you
.
Grace Sharkey
1:31:18
I
will
say
the
only
thing
I
feel
awful
about
is
that
the
son
I
feel
awful
,
oh
yeah
the
night
it
was
,
he
was
like
19
or
something
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:31:28
He
didn't
want
to
go
on
it
and
he
begged
his
father
not
to
,
and
his
father
was
just
adamant
.
Yeah
,
also
.
Grace Sharkey
1:31:35
I
also
feel
bad
,
for
I
usually
side
with
Cardi
B
and
all
of
her
opinions
,
but
I
feel
bad
for
her
in
the
step
son
who
is
apparently
like
the
blink
182
concert
,
like
name
a
billionaire
stepfather
who's
like
who's
who's
worth
like
staying
at
home
crying
over
.
Let
that
kid
go
enjoy
his
blink
182
concert
.
I
don't
know
of
a
billionaire
stepfather
is
probably
the
number
one
dad
,
you
know
like
who's
there
all
day
and
if
there
is
one
,
reach
out
to
me
,
get
on
Twitter
.
I
want
to
meet
your
billionaire
stepdad
.
Okay
,
and
he's
got
the
paperwork
that
said
he's
worth
a
billion
dollars
,
because
I
doubt
that
he
is
that
Grace Sharkey
1:32:19
awesome
.
Grace Sharkey
1:32:19
I
look
,
maybe
got
you
the
blink
182
concert
tickets
and
then
in
that
case
,
you
went
in
his
honor
,
but
I
just
I
can't
,
i
can't
.
I
get
like
very
claustrophobic
and
that's
the
only
thing
my
problem
with
space
is
,
like
when
I
get
too
claustrophobic
,
like
not
being
able
to
like
walk
around
,
you
know
I
can't
,
i
mean
I
,
i
probably
,
if
I
went
down
,
i
probably
would
have
been
the
reason
that
thing
exploded
,
because
my
eyes
would
have
been
in
the
pitch
dark
,
just
like
.
No
.
Grace Sharkey
1:32:50
I
mean
,
i'm
not
gonna
be
on
the
walls
until
it
sounds
like
they
died
in
a
pretty
peaceful
way
,
right
like
I
mean
it's
about
as
good
as
you
can
go
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:32:59
Happen
in
an
instant
.
Yeah
,
turn
into
molecules
.
Grace Sharkey
1:33:03
That
sounds
great
,
but
,
yeah
,
anyone
who's
concerned
about
taxpayer
dollars
in
this
situation
,
i
think
.
I
think
we're
good
,
i
don't
think
we
spent
a
dime
on
it
And
let's
just
leave
the
Titanic
alone
at
this
point
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:33:17
Okay
,
so
a
related
conspiracy
theory
that
it's
not
the
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:33:20
Titanic
.
That
,
not
that
one
,
because
I
do
find
that
one
like
super
interesting
.
The
whole
JP
Morgan
was
supposed
to
be
on
it
,
you
know
,
creation
of
the
Fed
,
all
that
.
The
other
conspiracy
theory
that
came
out
from
this
is
the
only
reason
that
we
and
I'm
just
you
know
,
sort
of
paraphrasing
this
because
I
don't
know
exactly
all
the
conspiracy
details
But
apparently
the
way
that
we
discovered
the
Titanic
wasn't
until
the
early
80s
,
and
we
discovered
it
because
we
had
the
.
When
I
say
we
,
the
United
States
,
had
a
couple
subs
that
went
missing
,
nuclear
subs
that
went
missing
,
or
no
,
it
was
one
sub
that
went
missing
that
had
two
nuclear
warheads
on
it
.
So
we
were
looking
at
the
bottom
of
the
goddamn
ocean
floor
to
try
to
find
them
,
before
obviously
anybody
else
finds
them
.
And
that's
how
they
discovered
the
Titanic
,
which
is
also
kind
of
correlates
to
why
the
US
government
would
know
ahead
of
time
.
Because
they
were
monitoring
the
area
,
maybe
because
they
haven't
found
these
nuclear
warheads
yet
.
So
they
were
already
monitoring
the
area
to
see
maybe
who
would
come
looking
for
them
.
Grace Sharkey
1:34:28
You
know
what's
crazy
to
talking
about
this
too
and
the
fact
that
,
like
I
was
at
this
conference
and
I
know
I
do
is
going
on
.
Did
you
see
the
clip
of
James
Cameron
?
apparently
,
when
they
went
down
there
for
that
first
time
was
on
9
11
.
So
like
,
yeah
,
i'll
find
the
interview
,
i'll
send
it
to
you
.
So
then
they
like
come
back
up
and
like
the
hot
guy
who's
like
looking
for
the
old
lady
the
whole
time
,
like
the
main
actor
of
the
actors
Oh
yeah
,
because
he
died
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:34:55
The
guy
from
Twister
.
Yeah
,
yeah
.
Grace Sharkey
1:34:57
That
guy
.
He's
like
with
Cameron
.
He's
like
the
planes
have
hit
like
the
towers
And
I'm
like
whoa
,
what
?
like
a
crazy
,
and
it's
,
it's
something
.
It's
also
something
to
you
think
about
,
like
I
would
never
want
to
tell
someone
while
they're
down
there
in
a
state
where
it's
like
I
can't
get
you
back
up
fast
,
right
,
same
thing
with
space
.
It's
like
I
can't
get
you
back
here
fast
enough
to
like
for
you
to
,
so
you
just
have
to
like
wait
till
they
get
back
And
you're
like
,
by
the
way
,
like
the
world's
craziest
disaster
happened
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:35:33
Is
that
Bill
Paxton
?
Yes
,
yes
.
Actors
name
.
Grace Sharkey
1:35:36
And
it's
like
crazy
because
you'd
see
,
james
Cameron's
face
is
like
and
I
was
like
we
did
it
And
he's
like
terrorist
,
oh
wow
.
But
if
you
mind
the
clip
,
you
should
add
it
because
it's
like
it's
so
crazy
.
But
yeah
,
it's
kind
of
nuts
to
like
think
.
Grace Sharkey
1:35:52
I
just
think
the
Titanic's
much
older
than
that
too
,
you
know
shout
out
to
my
niece
on
this
one
,
because
my
niece
is
incredibly
addicted
to
everything
the
Titanic
And
so
she
had
to
play
anyone
for
her
like
American
history
,
and
she
played
the
Unstinkable
Molly
Brown
Oh
,
the
cutest
,
the
cutest
presentation
of
all
time
,
and
I'm
like
that's
adorable
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:36:21
So
yeah
,
that's
super
.
I
mean
based
on
kind
of
a
little
bit
Titanic
obsessed
too
and
coming
,
you
know
,
from
all
of
this
.
You
know
that
all
of
these
stories
that
have
been
,
you
know
,
surfacing
,
for
lack
of
a
better
phrase
.
There
was
one
woman
that
was
on
TikTok
and
she
was
talking
about
the
is
it
Carpathia
,
the
ship
that
came
to
rescue
the
Titanic
survivor
?
She
actually
did
her
like
master's
thesis
or
PhD
thesis
on
it
or
whatever
,
and
so
she
was
writing
about
,
you
know
,
sort
of
the
hope
of
that
human
beings
have
and
how
,
the
second
that
Titanic
sent
out
the
Mayday
request
,
the
people
on
the
Carpathia
dropped
everything
and
said
we're
coming
,
we
got
everything
for
you
We
are
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:37:10
The
amount
of
speed
of
that
ship
in
particular
,
was
so
much
more
than
they
had
ever
tested
,
and
,
speaking
of
which
,
like
they're
going
through
the
same
waters
that
the
Titanic
just
went
through
fear
of
iceberg
,
it's
,
you
know
,
all
of
the
same
precautionary
things
.
But
the
people
on
the
Carpathia
were
so
invested
in
trying
to
save
as
many
people
as
they
could
on
the
Titanic
,
which
I
think
is
just
such
a
story
that
I
had
never
heard
of
and
has
a
,
you
know
,
a
much
more
like
,
i
guess
,
a
positive
human
spin
on
it
.
You
know
,
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
death
and
destruction
and
hopelessness
that
happens
with
something
like
Titanic
But
the
fact
that
they
dropped
everything
to
come
and
try
to
rescue
as
many
people
as
possible
And
then
the
story
kind
of
gets
lost
is
that
they
faced
all
of
those
same
dangers
and
they
could
have
succumbed
to
them
too
,
but
they
were
,
so
they
were
trying
so
hard
to
be
helpful
,
which
I
think
is
,
you
know
,
maybe
a
good
point
to
move
on
to
the
final
topic
of
today's
show
,
because
we've
been
going
for
about
an
hour
now
.
These
conversations
go
so
quick
.
That's
why
I
love
doing
these
interviews
with
you
,
because
it's
not
really
an
interview
,
it's
like
a
full
on
conversation
.
So
do
you
want
to
go
first
for
your
,
your
logistics
of
story
?
Grace Sharkey
1:38:28
Yes
,
i
will
,
and
this
actually
is
going
to
be
an
upcoming
episode
of
Point
of
Sales
.
Well
,
dive
into
it
just
a
little
bit
deeper
.
But
I
always
love
when
a
company
comes
out
and
says
,
hey
,
logistics
girlies
,
that's
going
to
be
like
the
new
thing
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:38:44
That's
the
episode
title
.
Grace Sharkey
1:38:45
Yeah
,
logistics
girlies
.
I'm
one
of
you
and
I'm
a
CEO
of
a
company
and
we're
short
because
of
our
supply
chain
And
that's
.
I
hate
that
sentence
because
I
follow
up
question
and
no
one
ever
asked
in
these
like
things
which
I
get
is
OK
,
what
part
of
it
You
know
?
so
Sriracha
is
the
company
that
makes
Sriracha
.
Grace Sharkey
1:39:08
I
think
it's
Hoi
Hoi
young
food
or
Hoi
Fung
foods
.
They
came
out
and
said
hey
,
sriracha
,
we're
having
trouble
still
.
They
came
out
,
i
think
last
year
,
that
their
supply
chain
had
slowed
down
.
They're
having
issues
with
their
suppliers
,
which
we'll
get
into
in
a
second
And
so
they
came
out
again
.
Grace Sharkey
1:39:29
They
didn't
mention
the
suppliers
.
They
just
were
like
very
brief
and
short
about
it
and
just
said
,
hey
,
we're
slow
,
it
might
be
tough
for
you
to
find
Sriracha
at
your
stores
until
about
September
,
in
which
we
should
start
having
a
come
up
.
Now
,
again
,
i
said
bullshit
wise
is
happening
,
so
start
diving
into
it
And
it's
very
interesting
.
So
in
2019
,
prior
to
,
of
course
,
covid
or
anything
,
hoi
Fung
again
is
the
Sriracha
producer
.
They
had
one
specific
supplier
,
just
one
supplier
of
all
of
the
red
jalapenos
I
believe
that
they
need
to
have
specifically
to
produce
Sriracha
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:40:13
Jalapenos
.
Grace Sharkey
1:40:14
It's
hot
peppers
,
sorry
peppers
,
hot
red
peppers
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:40:17
OK
.
Ok
,
because
I
was
going
to
say
jalapenos
are
green
.
Maybe
that's
a
different
sauce
,
or
maybe
it's
just
the
chili
.
Grace Sharkey
1:40:23
It
might
be
the
chili
,
i
don't
know
.
The
sauce
,
well
,
i
don't
know
.
The
sauce
is
made
quite
literally
,
so
the
way
that
they
specifically
made
them
,
though
,
was
,
like
I
had
to
sit
after
it
was
like
picked
for
like
a
certain
amount
of
time
,
like
it
was
.
It
had
this
whole
like
special
way
that
it
was
picked
anyway
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:40:41
Oh
,
it
is
red
jalapeno
.
You're
right
.
Oh
,
yes
,
yes
,
yes
,
thai
chili
peppers
,
red
jalapeno
and
serrano
peppers
,
yeah
,
so
that's
Sriracha
sauce
.
Grace Sharkey
1:40:50
That
red
jalapeno
is
kind
of
like
the
thing
that
makes
it
really
Sriracha
.
So
the
the
company
that
,
or
the
farm
that
produced
them
,
was
a
group
called
and
you
might
know
them
more
now
because
they
actually
make
their
own
sriracha
called
Underwood
Ranches
.
Now
,
in
2019
,
underwood
started
to
understand
I
mean
,
let's
blame
Hillary
Clinton
on
this
one
,
maybe
it
will
be
on
site
.
They
started
to
understand
that
they
were
OK
.
After
20
years
of
doing
this
and
being
their
provider
How
much
money
are
you
making
off
sriracha
,
right
?
Like
are
we
really
getting
the
piece
that
we
should
be
getting
?
And
so
the
leadership
over
at
Underwood
started
diving
into
,
like
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
what
their
finances
were
.
Now
I
think
Hoy
,
fun
food
.
I'm
probably
saying
that
I
was
nervous
because
likely
they
understood
well
,
if
they
find
out
what
we're
making
,
they
might
charge
us
more
.
We
only
have
so
much
that
we
can
give
up
,
blah
,
blah
,
blah
.
So
they
were
like
,
really
no
,
you
can't
see
our
finances
,
you
can't
see
any
of
this
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:42:01
The
deal
or
transparency
for
them
.
Grace Sharkey
1:42:03
No
broker
transparency
at
all
for
them
And
at
the
time
,
this
farm
really
was
dedicated
to
them
Over
1700
acres
.
In
2016
,
they
received
more
than
$22
million
in
revenue
just
from
Hoi
Fung
alone
,
and
so
they
started
getting
upset
because
they
wouldn't
open
up
their
books
to
them
,
they
wouldn't
have
open
conversations
with
them
.
Apparently
,
at
the
same
exact
time
,
the
leadership
at
Hoi
Fung
was
really
nervous
at
the
time
of
losing
its
biggest
customer
,
walmart
.
So
on
their
side
they're
like
paranoid
that
maybe
they're
gonna
kind
of
undercut
us
or
service
someone
else
.
Then
we'll
lose
all
of
our
money
,
et
cetera
.
So
they
ended
up
getting
really
nitpicky
on
rates
,
et
cetera
and
underpaid
Underwood
I
think
it
was
$1.6
million
for
their
services
for
you
,
yeah
.
So
Underwood
said
screw
you
,
we're
tired
of
.
We
clearly
realized
that
we
have
power
in
this
relationship
.
Grace Sharkey
1:43:07
So
they
ended
up
going
back
and
,
for
all
the
inconvenience
of
not
really
creating
this
open
relationship
,
they
ended
up
suing
them
back
because
without
that
$1.6
million
it
also
cost
their
business
And
they
ended
up
winning
actually
about
$23
million
against
Hoi
Fung's
food
.
So
at
first
the
Underwood
was
in
trouble
.
Of
course
,
you're
now
missing
on
$22
million
of
a
relationship
.
They
slowly
brought
that
back
And
I
think
they
said
in
2020
is
when
they
started
to
break
back
even
.
But
the
problem
with
Hoi
Fung
is
that
they
had
nowhere
to
get
these
jalapenos
now
and
had
relied
on
such
a
strong
.
I
mean
,
they're
like
within
miles
from
each
other
,
so
it
wasn't
far
from
their
factories
.
It
was
like
the
perfect
supply
relationship
.
They
just
burned
it
to
the
ground
,
basically
,
and
to
this
day
,
they
still
are
having
problems
trying
to
get
their
hands
on
these
peppers
.
Grace Sharkey
1:44:08
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
are
like
well
,
how
come
everyone
else
is
doing
Texas
Pita's
now
and
everyone
else
is
fine
?
Why
is
it
Sriracha
in
particular
having
these
issues
?
Well
,
they're
dealing
with
a
loss
of
a
20
,
almost
30
year
relationship
with
a
supplier
and
trying
to
continue
to
build
that
up
,
and
now
it's
so
many
people
coming
back
to
Mexico
where
a
lot
of
their
jalapenos
are
pulled
.
Now
they're
competing
on
a
way
bigger
basis
than
they
have
.
So
I
think
it's
an
interesting
story
of
how
important
it
is
to
build
that
good
relationship
with
your
supplier
and
to
also
make
sure
that
you're
diversified
.
For
this
exact
reason
,
because
we're
on
year
two
or
three
now
,
it
looks
like
that
Sriracha
hasn't
been
able
to
keep
up
with
services
And
it's
interesting
now
,
under
what
has
its
own
Sriracha
now
,
that
people
actually
enjoy
and
like
just
as
much
.
So
whether
or
not
to
eat
dinner
,
Original
creator
of
Sriracha
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:45:08
Isn't
he
like
a
one
man
operation
?
Grace Sharkey
1:45:10
Yeah
,
like
,
yeah
,
it's
like
grew
it
up
from
his
.
That's
what
I
mean
.
I
think
it
was
a
really
a
fear
of
like
losing
that
right
,
like
if
we
share
too
much
as
a
potential
that
someone
could
take
what
we've
built
and
And
that's
exactly
what's
happening
now
.
Yeah
,
literally
right
,
and
now
that's
quite
literally
.
You're
not
only
down
$25
million
,
but
I
mean
the
relationship
itself
.
Was
it
worth
that
25
million
?
Was
it
worth
the
1.6
?
you
decided
to
hold
back
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:45:39
And
then
also
from
the
landscape
of
.
I
wonder
if
there
are
any
like
pepper
cartels
You
know
how
there's
like
avocado
cartels
and
olive
oil
cartels
,
who
control
you
know
sort
of
the
production
and
the
manufacturing
of
those
goods
and
who
you
can
sell
to
and
at
what
price
.
I
wonder
if
that's
now
playing
a
role
too
,
where
,
like
,
maybe
there's
some
kind
of
like
pepper
cartel
that
is
preventing
the
original
Sriracha
brand
from
succeeding
.
So
then
that
way
,
all
of
the
maybe
they're
competitors
or
maybe
somebody
that
they're
founting
can
succeed
instead
Most
likely
.
Grace Sharkey
1:46:14
It's
really
.
It's
just
interesting
,
i
think
,
and
also
just
the
business
dynamic
relationship
,
right
.
It's
like
how
many
times
it
just
reminds
me
of
freight
in
particular
,
where
one
thing
goes
wrong
,
right
,
and
like
these
shippers
just
want
to
like
we're
never
using
you
again
.
It's
like
,
really
,
like
you're
,
you
think
you
can
just
find
capacity
out
of
the
blue
.
So
yeah
,
you
can't
.
Even
the
largest
,
most
popular
I'm
more
of
a
Texas
Pete
girl
,
i'll
say
but
they
can't
,
sriracha
can't
even
build
that
relationship
up
correctly
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:46:48
Yeah
,
which
is
pretty
crazy
.
I
mean
,
i've
heard
,
you
know
,
for
years
that
it's
,
you
know
,
the
Sriracha
shortages
.
I
always
thought
it
was
a
marketing
ploy
And
I'm
like
,
no
,
they're
,
you
know
,
it'll
be
back
.
And
then
I
was
curious
as
to
how
these
other
,
like
a
Texas
Pete
,
were
coming
out
with
their
own
version
of
different
Srirachas
.
And
I'm
like
,
well
,
how
are
they
finding
it
?
But
this
other
company
can't
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:47:08
And
so
when
I
found
out
that
Sriracha
cause
my
boyfriend
actually
he
loves
Sriracha
,
so
he
was
doing
he
was
like
where
the
hell
,
you
know
,
he's
trying
to
find
out
where
the
hell
is
going
or
what
the
hell
is
going
on
with
all
of
these
products
.
And
so
it
forced
him
to
kind
of
,
i
guess
,
learn
about
the
owner
.
And
he's
like
,
oh
,
it's
a
one
man
up
,
so
I'll
just
,
i'll
keep
supporting
him
And
you
know
,
just
,
you
know
,
buy
these
other
brands
until
he
gets
back
up
and
running
,
and
that's
what
his
sort
of
an
interpretation
of
it
.
But
now
,
you
know
,
come
to
find
out
it's
,
maybe
it's
like
a
soured
business
relationship
that's
ending
up
.
It
may
be
the
,
i
don't
know
,
it
sounds
like
something
that
could
be
solved
,
but
it
could
also
put
you
out
of
business
pretty
quickly
.
Grace Sharkey
1:47:47
Yeah
,
And
it
sounds
like
the
part
of
it
too
is
that
the
specific
jalapeno
,
like
in
the
way
that
they
have
to
like
grow
it
,
produce
.
It
is
very
labor
intensive
,
right
.
So
it's
like
it's
not
something
that
you
can
just
like
pick
up
and
put
somewhere
else
.
It's
special
care
.
Yeah
,
special
care
the
chilies
requires
renders
them
more
valuable
to
extreme
weather
,
in
extreme
weather
conditions
,
such
as
droughts
,
right
,
which
California
is
already
experiencing
,
or
Colorado
River's
depleted
water
supply
.
So
you
add
up
all
of
that
and
it's
like
who
else
are
you
buying
these
from
now
?
Blythe Brumleve
1:48:27
Right
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:48:29
It's
definitely
one
of
those
situations
.
Obviously
,
too
,
you
know
keeping
an
eye
on
,
but
it's
really
.
Maybe
I'll
bring
it
up
in
a
future
show
.
But
the
pepper
growing
specialty
that
is
involved
in
hot
sauces
is
just
getting
more
and
more
scientific
.
I
love
so
like
,
for
example
,
i
went
to
Belize
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
they
are
known
for
their
habanero
peppers
And
there's
this
company
called
Marie
Sharps
,
which
you
can
now
get
her
hot
sauce
in
Walmarts
all
across
the
country
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:49:06
But
she
has
the
best
hot
sauce
because
she
has
the
best
peppers
,
and
so
she
talked
about
especially
early
on
,
because
she's
Belize
,
like
,
born
and
raised
.
Her
family
has
lived
on
the
same
farm
for
generations
,
which
I
should
probably
.
I'll
just
explain
it
now
.
I
was
gonna
save
it
for
a
future
logistics
of
story
,
but
she
is
,
so
she
goes
through
this
entire
process
family-owned
farm
,
they
grow
all
these
peppers
,
they
start
making
this
hot
sauce
,
so
it's
like
a
really
proud
moment
for
Belize
,
which
is
compared
to
other
countries
,
it's
a
smaller
country
,
they're
in
Central
America
and
their
farmland
is
,
so
it's
more
pristine
than
the
rest
of
like
the
Caribbean
or
these
environments
where
growing
peppers
is
required
,
because
where
they're
positioned
,
country-wise
,
hurricanes
miss
them
,
so
they're
able
to
grow
much
more
frequently
than
other
countries
And
so
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
pepper
taste
.
It's
more
flavorful
.
That
comes
from
Marie
Sharp's
Habanero
peppers
,
but
because
she
grows
them
on
her
family
farm
then
she's
able
to
manufacture
them
all
on
site
and
then
distribute
from
there
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:50:16
She
wanted
to
try
to
get
into
the
United
States
in
like
the
early
2000s
I
believe
.
So
she
was
partnering
with
an
American
businessman
who
came
down
and
wanted
to
invest
and
get
all
of
the
needed
supplies
or
the
needed
structure
to
help
her
expand
.
Well
,
she
trusted
him
a
little
too
much
,
but
not
enough
to
where
she
gave
him
the
actual
recipes
of
the
hot
sauces
.
Because
and
thank
God
she
did
that
because
this
American
businessman
found
out
about
her
entire
operation
and
then
just
found
another
operation
to
source
the
peppers
from
in
another
area
of
the
Caribbean
and
brought
his
hot
sauces
to
market
.
And
so
if
you
see
a
logo
of
like
almost
like
a
Frida
looking
type
,
you
know
Spanish
woman
on
the
label
,
that's
the
one
that's
the
fraud
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:51:07
Don't
get
that
one
.
Get
them
Marie
Sharp's
,
because
she's
the
one
.
That
is
her
family
.
Or
you
know
her
family
farm
,
it's
her
supply
chain
.
She
controls
it
.
So
you
know
,
hopefully
she
doesn't
ever
have
to
worry
about
the
situation
of
what
you
know
the
Sriracha
brand
is
facing
right
now
,
but
she's
definitely
like
a
woman
in
manufacturing
supply
chain
that
I
want
to
root
for
.
I've
tried
to
get
her
on
the
show
,
but
she
has
an
incredible
operation
going
on
in
Belize
And
now
you
know
,
despite
what
that
American
businessman
did
or
tried
to
do
to
her
,
she's
now
expanding
out
into
retail
stores
much
more
.
Because
I
used
to
.
I
just
have
to
buy
it
from
her
website
.
Now
I
can
go
into
a
Walmart
and
get
it
now
instead
.
Grace Sharkey
1:51:50
Awesome
,
that's
a
great
spot
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:51:52
She's
fantastic
.
So
you
know
good
little
,
i
guess
,
side
note
story
.
So
you
know
we're
kind
of
talking
a
little
bit
about
cargo
crime
,
which
has
become
an
obsession
for
me
lately
,
which
is
why
I
did
the
story
on
the
logistics
of
stolen
sand
in
the
last
episode
.
You
know
we're
kind
of
talking
about
,
you
know
,
pepper
cartels
and
things
like
that
.
There's
one
maybe
future
,
maybe
evolving
cartel
that
is
popping
up
nowadays
And
that
is
the
fruit
rollup
cartel
.
Or
maybe
it's
just
Americans
just
flying
all
over
the
globe
trying
to
sell
fruit
rollups
.
Grace Sharkey
1:52:29
Is
this
the
?
Blythe Brumleve
1:52:30
ice
cream
challenge
one
Yes
,
so
with
fruit
rollups
.
For
folks
who
may
not
remember
,
fruit
rollup
is
like
that
kind
of
fruit
snack
.
It's
rolled
out
into
a
roll
,
as
the
name
implies
,
and
you
unroll
it
and
then
you
can
kind
of
eat
it
in
a
variety
of
different
ways
.
It's
kind
of
like
an
airhead
,
kind
of
like
taffy
type
texture
Not
really
taffy
,
but
anyways
.
There's
a
TikTok
challenge
that
has
been
going
viral
for
several
months
And
essentially
what
you
do
is
you
unroll
the
fruit
rollup
,
you
take
a
scoop
of
ice
cream
,
you
put
it
in
the
middle
and
then
you
fold
the
fruit
rollup
so
it's
almost
like
a
sandwich
.
That
ice
cream
makes
the
fruit
rollup
so
cold
that
when
you
bite
into
it
it's
almost
like
it's
crunchy
,
it's
crispy
,
like
.
It
just
changes
the
texture
of
the
fruit
rollup
itself
.
So
because
it's
going
so
viral
,
it's
creating
this
demand
globally
And
to
the
point
where
,
like
,
a
normal
fruit
rollup
box
is
what
?
like
you
know
,
$6.99
for
you
know
,
a
pack
of
like
12
of
them
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:53:30
Well
,
a
couple
of
Americans
just
got
busted
in
Israel
by
trying
to
smuggle
fruit
rollups
into
the
country
into
a
suitcase
.
They
had
600
of
them
.
I
wanna
say
,
oh
my
God
,
six
,
yeah
,
no
,
no
,
no
,
no
,
not
600
.
600
pounds
of
fruit
rollups
that
were
found
in
their
suitcases
.
And
if
you
know
anything
about
cargo
crime
or
you
know
cross-border
shipping
or
anything
like
that
,
you
know
that
you
cannot
enter
a
country
with
a
lot
of
merchandise
with
the
intent
to
sell
600
pounds
to
be
precise
,
in
order
to
sell
these
things
to
Israelis
,
where
one
fruit
rollup
pack
is
going
for
anywhere
from
like
$8
to
$15
apiece
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:54:19
So
because
they're
smuggling
so
many
I
mean
think
about
the
economics
there
Like
I
gotta
give
it
to
her
for
trying
,
because
that's
a
hustle
mentality
,
that's
a
hustle
move
You
buy
a
box
of
12
of
them
for
seven
bucks
and
you
flip
them
for
you
know
that
same
price
for
individually
.
So
that
is
the
fruit
rollup
controversy
that
is
going
on
,
which
is
I
would
play
a
little
bit
of
a
.
You
wanna
see
the
clip
?
I'll
play
the
clip
.
I
know
you're
not
on
TikTok
.
Grace Sharkey
1:54:50
I
love
this
.
So
they
just
like
thought
they
could
be
like
Miles
Teller
and
War
Dogs
,
and
they're
just
bringing
in
like
millions
of
dollars
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:54:58
It's
like
do
you
know
that
they
have
sophisticated
technology
designed
to
find
drugs
?
Grace Sharkey
1:55:02
This
seems
like
an
idea
that
came
up
in
a
frat
house
Like
.
This
sounds
like
a
frat
house
idea
.
Guys
,
It's
such
an
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:55:09
American
thing
to
do
.
I
think
too
Like
let's
take
these
snacks
and
flip
them
on
the
secondary
market
.
Grace Sharkey
1:55:14
Do
they
have
someone
buying
or
they
just
want
to
like
walk
around
?
We
heard
you
guys
are
buying
this
for
the
high
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:55:21
Oh
,
my
God
,
all
right
,
let
me
play
this
clip
really
quick
.
Grace Sharkey
1:55:31
This
looks
like
the
guy
who
would
do
this
.
I
love
the
graph
That
is-
.
I
said
take
them
out
of
the
box
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:56:05
Don't
even
bring
the
box
in
here
,
just
like
Maybe
they
thought
that
they
could
maybe
,
you
know
,
sell
it
a
little
bit
more
to
airport
security
.
But
for
folks
who
are
not
aware
that
Israel
is
probably
the
last
place
that
you
want
to
try
to
sneak
products
in
and
out
of
,
they
don't
really
even
have
like
a
ton
of
airport
security
,
except
for
people
who
are
trained
to
walk
around
and
study
body
language
,
like
that's
They
obviously
had
the
big
guns
because
you
know
the
Israel
,
palestine
,
which
is
you
know
whole
other
topic
that
I
don't
know
nearly
enough
to
talk
about
.
Grace Sharkey
1:56:42
They're
like
shaking
in
their
boots
like
,
oh
,
we
got
something
big
.
We
got
something
big
guys
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:56:49
It's
fruit
roll-ups
,
suitcases
and
suitcases
of
fruit
roll-ups
.
In
case
you
were
just
listening
and
you
didn't
actually
see
the
video
No
reports
yet
on
if
they'll
get
jail
time
.
They'll
probably
pay
a
fairly
large
fine
And
then
that
merchandise
will
be
confiscated
.
Because
you
can
only
,
you're
only
allowed
This
is
my
to
catch
a
smuggler
knowledge
,
which
is
my
favorite
show
that
airs
on
National
Geographic
.
You
have
to
,
you're
only
allowed
a
certain
amount
of
a
product
to
carry
that's
reasonable
for
personal
usage
.
So
,
for
example
,
like
what
gets
caught
a
lot
on
that
show
is
cigarettes
.
So
people
who
are
,
you
know
,
buying
the
cheaper
cigarettes
,
especially
like
in
the
States
,
and
then
taking
them
,
like
you
know
,
across
seas
or
you
know
,
so
you
have
to
pay
duty
tax
on
those
,
you
have
to
declare
it
,
and
then
if
you
don't
do
both
of
those
things
,
then
you're
,
you're
,
you're
facing
a
lot
of
trouble
,
a
lot
of
issues
.
Grace Sharkey
1:57:42
You
should
not
.
Maybe
we'll
talk
about
this
on
the
next
one
too
.
You
should
check
out
the
guy
from
Michigan
who
was
the
Pes
dispenser
,
like
collector
,
and
apparently
because
Pes
dispenser
,
he
used
to
go
over
to
Europe
where
they
made
all
the
Pes's
and
he
would
get
his
hands
on
like
the
first
editions
that
never
went
to
market
And
he
,
literally
he
did
a
fruit
rollup
and
he
he
stuffed
.
He
would
just
go
over
with
suitcase
and
stuff
his
bag
full
of
them
.
Well
,
customs
caught
him
coming
back
but
someone
at
Pes
never
put
the
Pes
product
into
the
customs
.
Like
,
apparently
,
when
you
make
a
product
,
you're
and
you
want
it
to
follow
those
guidelines
,
you're
supposed
to
register
the
product
to
customs
border
.
Oh
wow
,
that's
interesting
.
And
because
it's
like
one
suit
at
Pes
never
did
the
paperwork
,
they
had
to
let
him
go
.
So
he
,
like
he
was
like
it's
a
,
it's
a
Netflix
documentary
,
it's
very
interesting
.
Blythe Brumleve
1:58:48
I
was
going
to
say
I
thought
I've
heard
of
it
before
but
it
might
be
one
of
those
.
I
just
saw
the
preview
and
never
actually
click
play
Yeah
.
Grace Sharkey
1:58:54
No
,
he
started
off
as
a
box
top
dude
like
scamming
box
tops
,
like
,
just
like
,
like
he's
the
reason
that
the
box
tops
now
say
only
one
per
purchase
,
like
you're
like
the
hustle
never
stops
,
Yeah
.
And
so
then
he
,
he
sniffed
out
Pes'
and
it's
a
very
sweet
film
because
the
family
still
lives
very
poor
and
like
a
rural
area
in
Michigan
,
but
he's
got
and
he
he
does
have
a
demise
,
but
it's
like
you
get
to
meet
the
whole
Pes
like
group
groupies
and
they
all
know
about
them
And
but
it's
that
would
.
That's
what
I
found
the
most
interesting
right
Being
a
logistics
girly
is
he
gets
.
He's
like
,
yeah
,
they
pulled
me
up
and
they
start
going
through
the
list
of
products
that
you
can't
bring
in
at
that
certain
amount
And
Pes
literally
never
did
the
paperwork
.
Wow
,
and
apparently
so
the
cause
.
Grace Sharkey
1:59:47
There's
a
US
Pes
and
then
European
Pes
and
the
US
Pes
guy
like
made
him
he's
like
arch
nemesis
for
like
his
whole
life
And
then
he
got
his
hands
.
The
guy
like
got
his
hands
on
,
like
the
US
Pes'
like
favorite
Pes
ever
made
.
That
like
never
went
to
market
And
he
like
found
out
about
and
he
like
lost
his
.
He's
like
not
this
Pes
guy
again
And
so
everyone's
like
arch
nemesis
?
Yeah
,
no
,
it
was
.
It's
very
crazy
.
I
was
,
it
was
nothing
and
I
love
more
than
billionaire
men
,
billionaire
stuff
,
fathers
and
other
challenges
.
But
it
was
like
it's
really
interesting
how
,
like
this
dude
just
straight
up
drives
to
the
Ukraine
one
day
and
it's
like
,
hey
,
you
got
some
Pes'
,
like
just
sweet
talks
his
way
into
getting
like
these
Pes'
that
no
one
has
ever
seen
,
or
yeah
,
it
just
becomes
like
a
millionaire
off
Pes'
Wow
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:00:40
So
he'll
,
you
know
,
eventually
,
i
imagine
a
lot
of
those
will
end
up
in
a
museum
,
probably
,
you
know
after
maybe
is
he
still
alive
.
Grace Sharkey
2:00:48
Yeah
,
he's
still
alive
.
And
there's
a
he's
like
a
hero
,
like
people
like
love
this
dude
and
he
stopped
doing
it
because
it
was
just
like
getting
like
too
too
dangerous
.
I
remember
right
.
And
in
like
there's
like
another
character
you
meet
too
,
who
like
won't
show
you
his
collection
,
like
because
he
doesn't
want
people
to
know
what
he
has
and
what
,
because
it
could
affect
the
price
.
It's
like
oh
yeah
,
it's
like
you
get
really
introduced
to
the
world
of
Pes'
.
But
that's
the
cool
thing
is
like
,
oh
wow
,
like
you
could
just
imagine
a
fruit
roll
if
never
,
never
award
Pes'
.
It's
like
Pes'
antiquities
.
Yeah
,
it's
really
cool
,
it's
really
interesting
.
So
,
yeah
,
go
check
that
one
out
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:01:34
All
really
great
contributions
to
this
week's
episode
Before
.
I
meant
to
bring
this
up
ahead
of
time
before
we
dived
into
a
lot
of
these
different
topics
but
threads
.
We
got
some
new
social
media
action
going
on
.
Grace Sharkey
2:01:49
I
did
download
it
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:01:51
You
did
download
,
i
downloaded
it
,
okay
.
So
for
folks
who
maybe
,
if
you're
listening
to
this
by
the
time
we
were
recording
this
,
on
Thursday
,
july
the
6th
,
and
Metta
has
launched
Metta
,
the
parent
company
to
Facebook
,
has
launched
a
rival
to
Twitter
called
Threads
Zuckerberg
,
who
is
the
CEO
of
Metta
and
founder
of
Facebook
.
He
has
been
rumored
to
be
working
on
kind
of
a
text
based
social
media
platform
for
a
while
now
,
but
Twitter
had
a
bunch
of
drama
over
the
last
.
I
mean
,
would
just
Twitter
not
have
drama
?
but
they
had
an
extra
drama
when
they
introduced
what's
called
a
rate
limit
.
So
there's
a
couple
factions
being
involved
here
,
where
you
have
all
of
these
AI
platforms
,
these
large
language
models
who
are
data
scraping
places
like
Twitter
,
reddit
,
qura
you
know
,
these
internet
forums
where
the
real
value
of
that
platform
is
in
their
data
,
and
so
you
typically
will
have
to
license
your
data
via
API
to
allow
for
integrations
into
your
platform
.
So
Twitter
decided
to
combat
against
these
large
language
models
,
just
straight
up
,
just
scanning
their
data
and
stealing
it
without
you
know
paying
Twitter
.
They
decided
to
introduce
what's
called
a
rate
limit
,
but
they
introduced
these
rate
limits
for
everyone
,
including
just
regular
users
of
the
platform
who
do
not
,
frankly
,
give
a
shit
about
anything
else
.
They
just
want
to
access
the
platform
.
If
you
put
kind
of
like
a
warning
in
front
of
them
that
you
can't
browse
anymore
on
their
own
platform
,
they're
going
to
find
they're
going
to
put
their
attention
somewhere
else
.
So
it
was
a
very
questionable
move
by
Elon
to
introduce
this
.
It
feels
like
one
of
those
things
that
sounded
good
and
like
maybe
a
meeting
,
and
then
they
rushed
it
to
development
and
then
the
users
hated
it
.
All
that
to
say
,
mark
Zuckerberg
has
now
launched
probably
pushed
up
the
launch
of
what
the
platform
is
now
called
Threads
and
published
it
live
yesterday
.
Overnight
it
grew
to
30
million
users
.
Now
,
to
put
it
in
perspective
,
it
took
Facebook
years
to
get
to
30
million
users
.
They
had
10
million
in
a
matter
of
hours
,
which
is
something
that
I
think
you
know
like
.
I
can't
think
of
the
numbers
right
off
the
top
of
my
head
.
I'll
pull
them
up
in
just
a
second
.
But
just
the
growth
of
the
platform
.
Already
I
can
tell
it
was
one
of
those
moments
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:04:23
I
did
join
.
I
was
on
Instagram
as
I
saw
it
and
it
was
Gary
Vaynerchuk
.
He's
like
hey
,
listen
,
you
know
this
.
This
,
this
platform
,
is
going
off
.
He's
like
.
I
got
a
lot
of
faith
in
this
If
you
are
working
in
some
capacity
of
social
media
.
He's
like
this
is
what
you
do
.
You
download
the
new
apps
,
you
give
it
a
shot
,
you
see
,
you
roll
the
dice
and
you
see
if
something
will
stick
.
Being
an
early
adopter
has
a
lot
of
advantages
And
I
said
,
damn
it
,
gary
,
i
don't
want
another
social
media
platform
.
But
he's
right
,
let
me
just
give
it
a
shot
.
It
was
a
very
seamless
download
signup
process
,
because
you're
essentially
porting
your
username
and
your
bio
and
all
that
stuff
from
Instagram
immediately
over
to
threads
The
threads
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:05:07
User
experience
is
very
clean
.
It
looks
just
like
Twitter
.
It's
not
just
text
,
there
is
video
and
images
.
So
far
,
the
text
seems
to
have
the
greatest
importance
.
As
far
as
the
algorithm
is
concerned
,
you
do
,
you
can
follow
people
,
people
can
follow
you
,
and
then
for
your
feed
,
it's
just
one
choice
And
they're
kind
of
just
throwing
a
bunch
of
accounts
at
you
to
see
what
you
would
like
to
engage
with
.
So
there's
no
like
,
there's
no
additional
timeline
features
just
yet
.
It's
still
,
it's
maybe
24
hours
old
.
So
I'm
sure
that
they
will
introduce
,
you
know
,
those
different
features
.
They'll
introduce
advertising
,
because
it's
Facebook
,
for
God's
sakes
.
They're
going
to
have
some
kind
of
an
advertising
component
to
it
,
but
it
does
feel
like
in
the
sense
of
like
striking
while
the
iron
is
hot
,
and
then
also
from
the
standpoint
of
like
a
Mark
Zuckerberg
type
who
,
separately
from
this
,
is
also
going
to
be
fighting
Elon
Musk
in
the
Roman
Coliseum
,
which
is
another
little
sort
of
string
to
pull
on
with
this
whole
story
.
So
it's
like
Zuckerberg
,
out
of
nowhere
,
is
fighting
Elon
on
two
different
fronts
and
winning
,
and
I
mean
at
least
for
now
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:06:23
Obviously
the
platform
is
very
young
,
but
30
million
people
making
the
process
very
seamless
,
to
where
there
are
people
that
you
already
know
and
people
that
you
don't
know
as
soon
as
you
sign
up
.
So
are
you
going
to
follow
a
lot
of
the
same
people
that
you
followed
on
Instagram
?
Probably
not
,
because
of
the
way
that
the
feed
is
designed
,
which
feels
very
much
like
the
TikTok
for
you
page
,
where
,
for
folks
who
don't
know
,
you
have
a
for
you
page
.
That
TikTok
,
you
know
their
algorithm
is
very
good
where
they
know
what
kind
of
content
you
want
to
see
And
a
lot
of
times
,
especially
from
the
social
media
perspective
,
in
today's
day
and
age
,
you
have
your
platforms
for
connecting
with
people
that
you
know
,
like
Facebook
for
family
and
close
friends
.
Instagram
is
kind
of
the
same
way
,
but
this
one
it
looks
like
they're
taking
the
conscious
choice
of
giving
you
the
content
that
you
want
first
,
not
necessarily
from
the
people
that
you
connected
with
.
So
it's
that
different
sort
of
TikTok
mindset
where
we
don't
really
care
about
who
you're
friends
with
.
We
want
to
show
you
the
content
that's
going
to
keep
you
there
the
longest
.
And
when
I
tell
you
that
it
felt
kind
of
special
to
be
part
of
it
last
night
,
because
there's
no
ads
,
there's
none
of
like
the
scammy
,
like
course
guys
,
the
hustle
bro
guy
,
they're
not
there
yet
.
They
probably
are
there
by
today
because
there's
30
million
people
and
growing
.
But
it
was
a
very
nice
experience
And
I
don't
know
that
I've
had
that
experience
on
a
social
media
Like
I'm
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:07:52
I'm
.
I've
been
twitching
a
little
bit
all
day
because
I
haven't
checked
the
threads
yet
to
see
what's
popping
off
,
but
it's
a
lot
of
the
same
content
.
That
works
well
on
Twitter
,
seems
to
work
well
on
threads
.
They
seem
to
,
from
an
algorithm
standpoint
,
prioritize
text
over
images
and
videos
.
I
tried
to
bunch
last
night
.
I
posted
our
logistics
of
sand
videos
.
I
got
crickets
,
but
I
post
you
know
,
i
,
you
know
,
just
a
shit
post
,
like
how
I
typically
post
on
Twitter
,
and
it
does
.
It
does
okay
.
And
okay
in
that
respect
is
I
got
six
likes
on
a
post
and
I
was
like
,
oh
,
wow
,
i'm
doing
something
right
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:08:28
So
it
was
one
of
those
moments
where
,
like
the
,
you
have
to
challenge
yourself
to
learn
a
new
social
media
platform
.
You
have
to
kind
of
make
those
decisions
on
is
this
going
to
be
worth
my
time
or
not
.
But
so
far
so
good
.
I
think
it's
worth
.
I
think
it's
worth
the
time
to
at
least
try
it
and
download
it
,
because
the
sign
up
process
is
so
much
easier
.
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
improvements
made
to
the
platform
and
I'm
sure
you
know
we'll
see
what
those
are
.
But
so
early
signs
are
.
So
far
so
good
.
It
looks
like
you're
,
you're
trying
it
out
,
you
know
as
you
speak
.
So
what
are
your
?
what
are
your
early
thoughts
?
You're
already
sucked
in
.
Grace Sharkey
2:09:00
I
was
just
not
just
.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
see
me
like
following
you
and
everything
on
there
.
It's
just
Twitter
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:09:09
Yeah
,
the
icons
look
the
same
,
like
it's
very
,
very
similar
.
Grace Sharkey
2:09:13
It's
like
cool
because
it
also
links
.
It's
like
now
you
have
your
.
Wow
,
sucker
bird
,
you
fucking
genius
.
Because
now
it's
like
I
can
do
.
If
I
click
,
this
is
just
taking
me
to
Instagram
.
Oh
no
,
because
that's
annoying
thing
.
Oh
,
i
bet
you
,
this
is
so
much
easier
to
post
on
both
threads
and
Instagram
at
the
same
time
,
probably
not
yet
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:09:41
There's
also
like
a
question
around
like
DMs
,
because
there's
no
DMs
on
threads
yet
.
So
there's
kind
of
.
I
saw
one
person
kind
of
theorizing
that
they'll
.
They'll
just
keep
kind
of
like
what
Facebook
tried
to
force
like
messenger
on
everybody
.
Grace Sharkey
2:09:55
I
would
assume
that
it
would
sync
your
DMs
for
both
Instagram
and
this
.
You
know
what
I
mean
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:10:02
You
would
think
.
but
with
those
kind
of
capabilities
,
just
I
mean
even
like
to
this
day
,
like
Facebook
and
Instagram
don't
play
nicely
together
And
I
think
it
was
only
recently
,
like
within
the
past
couple
of
months
,
that
from
like
a
social
media
manager
standpoint
,
you
couldn't
even
upload
like
a
thumbnail
to
reels
or
schedule
your
reels
,
which
is
very
important
for
you
know
a
social
media
,
you
know
marketer
or
manager
standpoint
everyone
is
on
this
thing
.
Grace Sharkey
2:10:29
It's
so
funny
.
I'm
like
what's
Gerard's
on
here
too
?
That's
so
funny
,
wow
,
yeah
,
so
I'm
a
new
social
media
app
for
everybody
to
try
out
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:10:42
I'm
going
on
vacation
this
weekend
And
so
I
had
a
rule
that
I
was
like
no
social
media
all
weekend
.
And
then
I
download
this
Godforsaken
app
And
now
I'm
wondering
.
I'm
like
,
when
do
I
break
my
own
rule
that
I
created
out
of
no
one's
for
wish
or
no
one's
,
I
guess
,
motivation
?
Grace Sharkey
2:11:00
That's
awesome
.
Rick's
emailing
me
now
,
Oh
yeah
,
well
.
Well
,
everyone
,
go
to
threads
and
find
me
on
threads
.
If
you're
already
friends
with
life
,
I've
retweeted
our
stuff
,
You
know
it's
interesting
,
oh
heck
yeah
.
You
can't
see
,
like
,
who
people
are
following
,
but
you
can
only
you
can
see
who's
you
can
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:11:22
So
you
can
.
So
if
you
click
on
the
person's
profile
,
click
on
how
many
followers
they
have
,
it'll
bring
that
up
in
a
separate
tab
.
Grace Sharkey
2:11:31
It
doesn't
show
you
how
many
followers
people
your
follow
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:11:35
Oh
yeah
,
it
doesn't
.
It
doesn't
do
that
,
but
it
will
show
you
.
Yeah
,
because
,
like
,
for
example
,
i
went
into
a
couple
different
people
that
I
admire
,
like
Craig
is
one
of
them
.
So
I
saw
that
Craig
Fuller
,
you
know
,
owner
of
freight
waves
,
a
founder
of
freight
waves
So
I
went
into
his
and
I
said
,
well
,
who
is
he
following
?
because
it's
probably
people
I
want
to
follow
to
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:11:55
So
I
did
that
with
a
handful
of
people
to
see
you
know
who
I
should
be
following
on
this
account
or
on
this
platform
,
and
I'm
trying
to
be
really
,
i
guess
,
conscious
of
who
I'm
following
as
well
.
Like
I
don't
want
to
follow
the
same
people
that
I
follow
on
,
you
know
,
like
Instagram
or
even
Facebook
,
i
,
you
know
,
with
those
platforms
connected
to
this
,
i
don't
know
that
I
want
,
like
the
Instagram
and
the
Facebook
audience
,
to
see
my
shitpost
and
capabilities
that
I
have
honed
in
on
Twitter
for
so
long
,
and
they
have
no
idea
that
exists
.
But
now
it's
going
to
be
shining
a
light
on
that
over
in
threads
,
so
we'll
roll
the
dice
.
That's
what
we
do
in
marketing
.
We
kind
of
see
you
know
what
platforms
going
to
pop
off
or
not
,
but
there
are
advantages
to
being
early
adopters
.
Grace Sharkey
2:12:41
Yeah
,
we'll
see
you
on
threats
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:12:45
That's
a
good
way
to
end
the
discussion
,
so
we'll
see
you
all
next
time
.
I
hope
you
enjoyed
this
episode
of
Everything
Is
Logistics
,
a
podcast
for
the
thinkers
in
freight
,
telling
the
stories
behind
how
your
favorite
stuff
and
people
get
from
point
A
to
B
.
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2:13:03
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And
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i
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Blythe Brumleve
2:13:17
Now
,
a
lot
of
the
times
,
we
hand
this
task
of
building
a
new
website
or
refreshing
a
current
one
off
to
a
co-worker's
child
,
a
neighbor
down
the
street
or
a
stranger
around
the
world
,
where
you
probably
spend
more
time
explaining
the
freight
industry
than
it
takes
to
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build
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dang
website
.
Blythe Brumleve
2:13:34
Well
,
that
doesn't
happen
at
Digital
Dispatch
.
We've
been
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2009
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but
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