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Welcome
into
another
episode
of
Everything
Is
Logistics,
a
podcast
for
The
Thinkers
in
Freight.
I'm
your
host,
Blythe
Milligan,
and
we
are
probably
presented
by
SPI
Logistics.
And
if
you
notice,
I'm
in
a
different
setup
than
what
you
normally
see
me
in.
I'm
actually
recording
this
right
after
my
last
session
at
IANA's
intermodal
expo
out
here
in
Long
Beach,
California.
I'm
actually
staying
in
the
Hyatt
Centric,
which
is
right
near
the
Long
Beach
Convention
Center.
And
it's,
you
know,
it's
like
a
five-minute
walk
from
the
convention
center,
not
necessarily
right
on-prem,
which
is
typically
where
I
like
to
stay.
But
your
girl
was
trying
to
save
a
little
bit
of
money.
So
what
I
did
is
I
booked
the
hotel
that
was
five
minutes
away.
And
it
ended
up
being
a
little
serendipitous
because
as
you
can
see,
it's
a
maritime-themed
hotel.
We
got
all
these
great
pictures
behind
us,
but
we're
staying
right
near
the
port
of
Long
Beach.
And
some
parts
of
the
hotel,
you
can
actually
see
the
port
from
the
hotel,
and
you
can
obviously
see
the
port
also
from
the
convention
center
itself.
So
really,
really
cool.
You
can't
see
behind
me,
but
maybe
I
can
add
some
of
this
in
post.
But
there's
a
whole
landscape
of
the
port
on
the
back
of
the
hotel
room.
I
would
show
you,
but
my
hotel
room
is
super
messy
right
now.
So
you
were
seeing
the
clean
version
right
here.
But
also,
we
have
some
really
nice
pictures
back
here
of
the
port
of
Long
Beach.
A
couple
of
these
are
stock
images.
I've
actually
used,
if
you
pay
attention,
you
probably
don't,
but
I
pay
attention
to
it.
Some
of
the
thumbnails
and
graphic
choices
that
I've
used.
I've
actually
used
have
definitely
this
one.
You
can
see
it
with
all
of
the
containers
in
the
background.
It's
almost
like
it's
really
nice,
like
background
photo
that
I
use
in
some
of
my
YouTube
thumbnails.
There's
also
a,
you
know,
a
nice
overshot
of
a
cargo
ship
just
waiting
out
in
the
middle
of
the
ocean.
And
so
it
was
it's
just
really
cool
to
be
in
this
room
where
all
of
the
different,
and
not
just
the
room,
but
throughout
the
hotel,
there's
like
different
maritime
lighting
and
uh
all
of
these
different
photos
of
ships,
all
not
just
in
the
room
itself,
but
also
in
the
bathroom
as
well.
So
just
a
really
cool
hotel
and
also
you
save
a
little
bit
of
money.
So
if
you're
coming
out
to
any
of
the
conferences,
I
think
TPM
also
happens
here
in
Long
Beach.
But
Iana
usually
happens,
uh
Iana
Expo
usually
happens
in
Long
Beach.
This
was
my
first
time
attending,
and
so
uh
I,
you
know,
and
uh
I
didn't
want
to
fork
out
a
bunch
of
money
for
you
know
some
of
the
closer
hotels.
This
one
was
only
a
five-minute
walk
and
it
ended
up
being
a
little
serendipitous,
like
I
said.
So
for
the
sake
of
this
video,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
some
just
immediate
takeaways
of
attending
my
first
IANA
conference
because
this
is
a
a
first
for
me.
And
intermodal
admittedly
is
a
bit
of
a
weakness
of
mine
as
far
as
content
coverage
is
concerned.
And
that
was
a
big
reason
why
I
wanted
to
come
out
here
is
just
strengthen
that
area
and
that
weakness
for
me.
Because
when
I
worked
inside
of
an
asset-based
3PL,
we
had
an
old
intermodal
department,
but
it
was
one
of
those
departments
that
was
kind
of
like
in
the
back
and
no
one
really
talked
to
them
or
messed
with
them.
It's
kind
of
an
afterthought.
And
so
when
I
come
to
this
event,
I
got
a
chance
to
bring
it
to
the
forefront
and
learn
about
some
of
the
issues
that
are
or
some
of
the
challenges
that
exist
within
this
mode
of
the
industry
versus
maybe
truckload
or
warehousing
or
maritime
and
some
of
those
other
industries
that,
or
some
of
those
other
segments
of
the
industry
that
I've
covered
a
little
bit
more
heavily.
So
uh
I
would
say
probably
I
I
because
I
had
that
limited
scope,
I
own
the
plane
here.
I'm
from
Jacksonville,
and
so
I
took
my
first
breeze
airways
flight,
which
not
a
lot
of
people
have
heard
of
them,
but
a
smooth
experience
for
me.
It
was
actually
a
breeze.
But
they
focus
on
direct
flights
all
across
the
country
and
they
have
a
direct
flight
from
Jacksonville
to
LA,
which
was
incredible.
It
was
like
four
and
a
half
hours
in
order
to
get
here.
It
usually
takes
me
at
least
a
six-hour
flight
process
in
order
to
come
across
the
coast.
And
so
this
was
a
welcome
surprise
for
this
new
airline
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
that.
So
if
you've
never
heard
of
Breeze
Airways,
I
would
highly
recommend
looking
them
up.
The
only
downside
to
them
so
far
from
what
I
hear
is
that
because
they
have
direct
flights
and
because
they
are
a
newer
airline,
sometimes,
you
know,
some
of
the
flights,
if
they
do
get
delayed
or
if
they
get
messed
up,
you
could
wait
a
little
bit
longer
than
another
typical
flight
that
might
have,
you
know,
more
flights,
you
know,
coming
in
and
out.
But
because
it's
a
direct
flight,
they're
a
little
bit
limited
in
that
regard.
And
because
of
that,
I
have
to,
there
were
no
flights
available
to
fly
back
home
either
tonight,
which
is
Wednesday
night
as
the
time
I'm
recording
this,
or
Thursday.
So
I'm
actually
staying
an
extra
day
in
Long
Beach,
which
I
mean,
God,
kill
me,
because
it's
uh
74
degrees
out
here
is
the
high.
And
as
someone
who
was
just
at
a
Jaguars
game
over
the
weekend
where
it
was
105
degree
heat
index
and
physically
too
hot
to
even
enjoy
the
game,
we
had
a
monster
game
crushed
the
crushed
the
Browns
and
just
dominant
fashion.
So
hopefully
the
Jaguars
can
keep
that
up,
but
I'm
not
gonna
turn
this
into
a
Jaguars
episode.
This
is
an
intermodal
episode,
and
much
like
CSX,
I
flew
across
the
country
in
order
to
come
directly
here
to
Long
Beach.
So
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
those
takeaways.
The
first
things
first
is
that
on
that
flight,
because
my
experience
with
intermodal
is
very
much
a
high-level
experience,
and
I
would
still
say
my
knowledge
base
of
intermodal
is
still
very
much
a
high
level.
I
wanted
to
get
some
extra
insight
on
how
we
kind
of
arrived
to
where
we're
at
today
and
what
is
next
for
intermodal.
That's
actually
a
big
theme
of
the
IANA
Expo
this
year,
is
talking
about
the
next
era
of
intermodal.
For
a
lot
of
folks
who
may
not
be
aware,
Anne
Rinke,
who
was
previously
head
of
the
leadership
over
at
TIA
Transportation
Intermediaries
Association,
she
came
over
to
IANA
and
we
talked
to
her
on
the
podcast
a
little
over
a
year
ago
in
preparation
for
her
first
IANA
expo.
And
she
wasn't,
she
was,
I
think,
a
few
months
on
the
job.
And
so
for
this
year,
this
is
her
first
real
year
with
you
know
the
experience
under
her
belt.
And
now
she's
able
to
bring
a
larger
vision
to
life
of
where
she
sees
these
kinds
of
events
because
this
is
an
event
where
folks
from
all
of
the
major
rail
lines
are
rail,
I
hopefully
I'm
saying
that
right,
but
all
of
the
major
rail
programs
they're
coming.
So
Union
Pacific,
BNSF,
CSX,
among
other
Norfolk
Southern,
of
course.
So
all
of
those
people
from
those
different
historic
railroads
are
all
here.
They're
all
at,
you
know,
in
meetings
and
parties
and
you
know,
the
expo
floor,
of
course,
and
then
all
of
the
educational
sessions
that
took
place.
They
have
a
big
main
room,
and
then
they
have
a
bunch
of
you
know
mini
sessions
that
are
on
the
expo
floor
to
kind
of
drive
that
traffic
to
the
expo
floor.
But
in
preparation
for
this,
I
realized
I
really
knew
nothing
about
kind
of
the
history
of
trains.
And
so
I
found
all
of
these
history
channel
documentaries
that
talked
about
the
evolutions
of
trains.
There's
even
an
entire
series
that
goes
through.
I
didn't
make
it
through
the
whole
series,
I
did
watch
at
least
two
or
three
episodes
from
the
History
Channel
series
and
made
a
couple
notes.
So
if
you
like,
you
know,
a
little
bit
of
train
history.
Well,
I
promise
you
we'll
get
into
more
IANA
stuff
in
here
in
just
a
second.
But
I
took
some
notes
while
I
was
on
the
plane
watching.
And
so
a
cut
a
couple
of
my
notes,
my
first
note
is
air
break.
So
apparently,
the
air
break
is
one
of
the
most
pivotal
innovations,
not
just
in
trains,
but
in
all
industries
anywhere,
because
of
the
way
that
it
helped
trains
in
order
to
break
safely
and
effectively.
And
the
way
that
engineering
took
place,
it
was
just
it's
considered
still
to
this
day
as
a
modern
marvel.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
interesting.
Another
interesting
part
is
also
the
reefer
car
that
was
another
major
innovation
for
rail
lines,
is
that
they
had
an
eye,
they
used
to
just
have
an
iced
out
reefer
and
or
a
reefer
cart
part
of
the
train.
And
forgive
me
if
I
am
not
pronouncing
these
phrases
right,
but
you
you
you
figure
that
the
train
car,
I
guess
is
probably
the
not
cart,
but
car,
the
train
car,
it
used
to
be
nothing
but
ice
that
kept
that
freight
cold.
And
so
another
major
innovation
in
trains
was
having
the
reefer
car
that
was
created.
There
was
also
the
trench
that
was
created,
which
is
almost
a
method
of
going
underground.
And
so,
for
what
happens
with
a
lot
of
the
freight,
from
my
understanding,
with
the
port
of
LA
and
Long
Beach,
is
that
you
have
the
overwhelming
majority
of
the
country's
freight
that
comes
in
from
East
Asia,
it's
coming
into
one
of
these
two
ports.
And
so
from
there,
it's
thrown
on
a
rail
line,
but
you
have
to
obviously
you
have
to
get
the
freight
from
the
ship
off
of
the
ship
and
then
onto
a
rail
car.
And
then
the
after
the
rail
car,
then
it
goes
uh
obviously
onto
a
truck
and
to,
you
know,
it's
obviously
its
final
destination.
And
so
there
was
a
trench
that
was
almost
a
tunnel
that
was
built
to
go
under
the
traffic
to
keep
all
of
that
freight
moving
because
that
was
a
major
bottleneck,
is
that
a
lot
of
these
rail
cars
had
to
sit
in
traffic.
And
if
you
know
anything
about
LA
traffic,
it
it's
a
nightmare.
And
so,
especially
with
that
much
congestion
in
this
area,
a
small
bottleneck
can
really
impact
the
flow
of
movement,
the
flow
of
goods
throughout
the
entire
country.
So
when
the
trench
was
created,
it
went
underneath
all
of
the
all
of
that
traffic.
So
then
that
way
that
freight
can
move
that
much
faster.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
interesting
too.
Also,
there
was
another
interesting
note
that
they
made
in
there
that
the
top
global
countries
all
have
a
significant
investment
in
rail
tracks
and
rail
lines
that
go
all
throughout
the
entire
country.
So
think
China,
Russia,
I
think
Brazil
was
on
that
list
too,
the
United
States,
of
course.
And
so
the
top
economies
in
the
world
also
have
the
most
rail
tracks
throughout
the
country.
And
the
reason
for
that
is
because
uh
shipping
through
rail
is
very,
very
cheap.
It's
about
and
this
is
a
history
channel
doc.
So
this
was
created
like
probably
seven
to
10
years
ago.
So
I'm
sure
these
rates
have
fluctuated
since
then.
But
the
comparison
that
they
made
was
if
you
move
something,
if
you
move
a
commodity
by
rail,
you're
paying
one
cents.
But
if
you
move
the
commodity
entirely
by
truck,
then
you're
paying
10
cents
a
mile.
And
so
that's
a
dramatic
savings,
whenever
you
think
about
it,
and
and
just
you
know,
a
combination
of
the
amount
of
freight
that's
being
moved.
And
so
I
thought
that
that
was
interesting
as
well.
And
then
also
how
this
historic
industry
that
really
helped
to
build
out
the
West,
that
helped
to
build
out
and
and
move
the
population
of
the
United
States
from
east
to
west
was
really
done
through
rail.
And
so
being
able
to
have
those
those
innovations
and
just
that
grit
and
just
wanting
to
expand
and
sort
of
the
you
know
manifestation
or
manifest
destiny,
I
think
is
is
is
what
it's
called.
Um,
that
was
interesting
to
know,
you
know,
how
it
was
built
out
throughout
the
country,
but
then
also
where
does
that
bring
us
to
today?
And
I
think
that
that's
a
perfect
encapsulation
of
the
theming
of
this
event
is
talking
about
that
next
era.
What
is
next
for
intermodal?
And
I
remember
talking
with
Ann
Rinkey
on
the
show
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
she
said
that
when
she
first
joined
back
to
lead
the
association,
that
she
went
on
a
listening
tour
and
she
went
to
all
of
the
major
rail
lines,
all
of
the
major
companies,
and
she
just
listened
and
she
just
wanted
to
hear
what
their
thoughts
were
on
the
state
of
the
industry
and
where
to
take
things
next.
And
so
that's
where
I
wanted
to
gauge
of
what
is
next
is
is
Intermodal,
you
know,
kind
of
facing
the
same
AI
issues,
same
technology
uh
adaptation
or
adoption
rates.
Is
that
is
that
happening
in
the
rail
space?
And
short
answer
is
kind
of
sorta,
but
it's
also
not
necessarily
needed
in
intermodal
because
of
the
way
that
the
freight
moves
and
that
it's
moved
uh
historically
is
that
you
don't
necessarily
need
a
lot
of
technology,
especially
not
as
much,
you
know,
of
the
tracking
and
the
visibility
side
of
things
that
you
need
for
other
modes
of
transportation.
And
so
I
thought
that
that
was
interesting
and
also
how
different
intermodal
freight
is
from
the
rest
of
the
industry.
You
know,
I
I'm
here
because
I'm
covering,
I'm
making
another
guide,
another
Cargo
Rex
guide.
If
if
you
missed
our
first
two
guides
over
on
Cargo
Rex,
which
if
you
don't
know,
Cargo
Rex
is
a
sister
site
to
everything
is
logistics.
Everything
is
logistics
is
more
of
my
personal
brand
and
my
personal
opinion.
And
Cargo
Rex,
my
goal
with
that
is
to
help
serve
as
the
resource,
as
the
Google
search
of
the
industry.
And
and
so
uh
what
are
the
the
technology,
the
services
that
are
selling
into
logistics
service
providers,
into
the
LSPs?
And
so
what
you
know,
creating
a
directory
not
only
for
all
of
those
different
solution
providers,
not
necessarily
a
top
100
brokers
or
top
100
carriers.
I
want
to
know
the
vendors
that
are
servicing
the
LSPs.
So
think
insurance,
think
technology,
think
lawyers,
you
know,
all
of
those
consultants,
all
of
those
different
elements
within
our
industry,
who
they're
selling
into.
And
that
is
Cargo
Rex.
And
then
earlier
this
year,
especially
over
the
summer,
we
launched
our
first
guide
where
we're
doing,
I
think
I
had
eight
interviews
total
to
talk
about
AI
use
cases
in
logistics.
So
that
was
our
first
guide
that
we
launched.
It
was
very
well
received.
We
just
recently
launched,
actually
last
week
at
the
time
of
recording
this,
I
launched
the
Mexico
cross-border
guide
where
we
talked
to
six
different
folks
that
are
experts
in
that
realm.
And
now
for
this
one
here
at
IANA,
they
were
gracious
enough
to
give
me
a
podcast
booth
space,
three
hours
of
recording
time.
And
so
I
chose
to
focus
those
efforts
on
cargo
crime.
So
that's
gonna
be
the
next
guide
that
we
produce.
And
I
I
say
that
because
I
had
some
fantastic
conversations.
A
couple
of
the
people
that
I
talked
to,
I'll
just
go
through
the
list.
I
had
Scott
Cornell,
which,
if
you're
involved
in
any
kind
of
freight
fraud
prevention,
cargo
crime,
you
probably
know
his
name.
Executive
vice
president
at
SPG
Cargo
and
Logistics.
He's
also
the
chairman
of
Tapas
Standards,
which
creates
the
standards
of
cargo
crime,
freight
fraud,
fighting
all
of
those
different
initiatives.
It's
a
nonprofit.
I
don't
believe
that
they
charge
any
money
for
it.
So
they
make
a
lot
of
their
resources
for
free.
So
very,
very
cool
organization.
Also
talked
with
Joe
Orr.
He
is
the
Chief
Operations
and
Technical
Officer
at
the
National
Motor
Freight
Traffic
Association.
He
has
a
cybersecurity
focus.
So
while
Scott
is
more
on
the
physical
goods
side
of
things
and
how
you
can
combine
technology
with
the
human
touch,
that
is
where
his
focus
is,
is
combining
all
of
the
different
efforts
in
order
to
prevent
cargo
crime
from
happening.
Whereas
Joe
is
on
the
cybersecurity
side.
And
so
he
was
speaking
at
it
from
a
cybersecurity
lens.
And
then
from
a
physical
goods
standpoint,
we
also
talked
to
Bernardo
Mendez.
He
is
the
CEO
of
Gate
in
AI.
And
that's
basically
cameras
and
identification
systems
to
put
at
every
single
gate
upon
check-in
for
drivers
whenever
they're
checking
in
to
deliver
a
load.
So
just
making
sure
that
the
license
plate
matches
the
driver,
matches
the
photo,
matches
the
driver's
license,
matches
the
bill
of
lading,
matches
any
other
miscellaneous
paperwork
that
you
have
to
have.
And
just
to
make
sure
that
people
are
bringing
in
the
stuff
that
they're
supposed
to
be
bringing
in.
And
more
importantly,
if
they're
going
to
be
leaving,
they're
the
right
person
leaving
with
the
right
freight
and
not
the
reverse.
Also
talked
with
Jared
Palmer.
He
is
the
principal
over
at
Epic
Insurance
Brokers
and
Consultants,
but
he's
on
the
transportation
and
logistics
side
of
things.
So
talk
to
him
from
an
insurance
standpoint.
Everybody's
shopping
insurance
right
now.
Premiums
are
going
through
the
roof.
So
what
can
companies
do
in
order
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
only
covered,
but
whenever
something
happens,
that
they
can
actually
get
compensated
for
those
mishaps.
So
that
was
a
very,
very
interesting
conversation
as
well.
And
then,
of
course,
you
know,
I
feel
like
he's
like
LinkedIn,
social
media
famous,
but
Reed
Lucalot,
chief
marketing
officer
over
at
Truck
Parking
Club.
That
was
a
really
interesting
conversation
because
if
you
think
about
all
of
the
effort
that
goes
into
cybersecurity,
to
the
human
element,
avoiding
phishing
scams,
uh,
vetting
carriers
properly,
making
sure
that
you
have,
you
know,
the
proper
channels,
proper
software
set
up
in
order
to
help
the
human
element
be
able
to
avoid
catastrophe
whenever
it
happens.
But
you
have
all
these
companies
making
all
these
precautions,
and
then
they
have
a
situation
where
a
driver
can
get
stuck
on
the
side
of
the
road
because
they
ran
out
of
hours.
And
so
you
did
all
of
that
due
diligence
only
to
have
your
driver
parking
on
the
side
of
the
road
or
at
a
rest
stop
and
the
freight
that
you
worked
so
hard
to
secure
for
those
customers
and
finding
the
driver
and
doing
all
of
the
due
diligence.
Driver's
is
just
gonna
sit
on
the
side
of
the
road
at
a
rest
stop,
and
that
is
putting
your
freight
in
danger.
And
so
the
importance
of
truck
parking,
the
importance
of
having
secure
lots
to
secure
not
just
the
freight
itself,
but
also
for
drivers
as
well.
And
so
I
thought
that
that
was
an
interesting
tie-in
as
well.
And
then
lastly,
can't
come
to
an
intermodal
IANA
conference
without
talking
to
Christy
Kanichal
of
Kanichal
Logistics.
And
so
she
talked
about
what
their
team
is
doing
from
inside
a
company,
what
happens
when
something
does
go
awry.
And
she
was
the
one
that
was
explaining
that,
you
know,
intermodal
freight,
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
worry
about,
you
know,
from
a
carrier
perspective,
yes,
but
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
worry
about
the
security
of
the
freight.
And
so
she
was
talking
about,
you
know,
the
advancements
in
some
of
the
ways
that,
you
know,
the
drones,
for
example,
you
know,
you
have
these
trains
that
are
miles
and
miles
long.
And
it
that's
impossible
to
expect
a
security
force
to
be
able
to
monitor
that
24-7.
But
what
they've
deployed
now
or
what
they're
starting
to
deploy
are
drones
to
keep
an
eye
on
those
miles
and
miles
of
rail
cars
that
are
going
through
our
nation.
And
if
somebody's
suspicious
or
somebody
uh
that
they're
not
exactly
sure
of
is
coming
a
little
too
close
to
that
freight,
then
that's
something
that,
you
know,
a
drone
operator
can,
you
know,
review
that
on
the
footage
and
be
able
to
deploy
resources
in
order
to
prevent
maybe
a
catastrophe
or
stolen
freight
from
happening
to
begin
with.
So
all
of
those
conversations
took
place
here,
got
all
of
them
knocked
out.
We're
hoping
to
be
able
to
release
that
guide
here
soon.
I'm
looking
at
late
October,
early
November.
So
kind
of
a
spooky,
you
know,
supply
chain
themed,
especially
around
cargo
crime.
That's
what
I'm
looking
at
doing
closer
to
that
time
frame.
Because
I
mean,
it's
it's
six
interviews
total.
And
so,
because
of
all
of
those
conversations,
it
takes
a
it
takes
a
little
while
to
be
able
to
edit
all
of
those
conversations,
put
the
written
guide
together,
and
then
be
able
to
make
an
episode
where
I
recap
it,
but
I
mean,
I'm
essentially
recapping
it
right
here.
So
we'll
be
able
to
go
through
all
of
that
different
footage,
especially
when
the
IANA
team
sends
it
over,
because
it
was
incredible
the
booth
space
that
they
gave
me
this
year.
Typically,
when
I
go
to
a
conference,
they
they
reserve
a
specific
area.
They
give
you
a
media
room,
they
have
a
specific
area
where
you
can
go
and
you
can
record.
Manifest
is
a
perfect
example
of
that,
where
you
have
a
dedicated
space,
a
dedicated
time,
and
then
you
can
go
and
you
can
secure
your
own
interviews
for
that.
But
because
of
that,
because
you
have
that
space,
it's
typically
just
you
and
your
team,
your
equipment,
you're
managing
that.
And
that
has
its
own
pros
and
cons.
A
pro
of
it
is
that
I
have
complete
control
over
all
of
it.
I
don't
have
to
sit
around
and
wait
for
footage.
If
you
believe
it,
there
are
events
that
I
have
gone
to
over
the
past
year
that
I
have
still
not
gotten
the
footage
from
recording
at
that
event.
And
so
sometimes
you
have
to
be
a
little
proactive
when
it
comes
to
recording
content
at
these
types
of
things.
And
so
from
what
is
gonna
happen
here,
basically,
we
had
an
entire
setup
that
was
equipment
was
provided,
a
producer
was
provided,
dedicated
space,
and
all
of
those
files,
audio,
video
is
all
gonna
be
supplied
to
me
here
in
about
a
week.
And
so
can't
ask
for
anything
better
than
that.
And
so
we
were
able
to
secure
all
of
those
interviews,
got
them
all
knocked
out,
and
the
podcast
booth
was
incredible.
There
were
also
some
conversations
that
happened
after
we
got
done
recording,
which
I
hate
it
when
that
happens
when
you
don't
it
sometimes
the
good
stuff
like
continues
and
you're
not
recording.
But
a
couple
of
those
areas
that
we
didn't
get
to
cover
in
those
interviews
was
one
important
note
about
it's
called
Cody,
C
O
T
Y,
and
it's
an
organization
that
helps
fight
consumer
fraud.
So
you
might
have
heard
of
these
instances,
incidents
where
fake
consumer
goods
are
being
sold
on
Amazon
or
some
of
these
other
sites.
Maybe
you
uh
bought
some
stuff
at
a
flea
market
or
like
a
Big
Lots
or
TJ
Maxx
or,
you
know,
some
of
these
other
sort
of
discount
stores
that
you
can
get
these
products
from,
but
some
of
those
products
are
counterfeit
or
some
of
those
products
have
been
tampered
with.
Think
of
a
bad
shipment
that
gets
rejected.
You
know,
sometimes
that
freight
gets
sold
off
to
bodegas
and
to
little
mom
and
pop
shops.
They
don't
know
any
better.
Maybe
I
don't
know.
You
know,
sometimes
they
do,
sometimes
that
is,
you
know,
an
organized
effort,
but
a
lot
of
times
they
don't.
They
don't.
They
they
see
good
products,
they
they
see
it
at
as
a
discount,
their
customers
want
it,
and
so
they're
gonna
continue
buying
it.
So
that
is
a
segment
of
a
gray
area,
which
is
what
Jared,
Jared
Palmer
from
Epic
Insurance
Brokers
brought
up,
that
there
is
a
gray
area
for
that
type
of
fraud.
And
so,
what
are
consumers
or
what
are
what
is
the
government
doing?
What
are
companies
doing
in
order
to
help
consumers
in
that
regard?
And
so
just
uh
thinking
about
cargo
crime
from
a
different
lens,
I
thought
that
that
was
an
interesting
note
too
about
the
stolen
freight.
Another
one
that
we
did
touch
on
in
some
of
our
interviews,
I
just
mentioned
Tapas,
which
is
the
nonprofit
that
helps,
you
know,
supply
security
standards,
cargo
crime,
freight
fraud
standards
use
as
an
educational
resource
across
the
industry.
So
that
was
a
great
organization
to
mention
again.
And
then
also
fraud
watch
website
from
the
gosh,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
get
this
acronym
right,
but
the
NMFTA,
so
that
National
Motor
Freight
Traffic
Association,
they
launched
recently,
uh,
I
believe
within
the
last
year,
year
and
a
half,
of
a
fraud
watch
website.
It's
invite
only,
and
but
uh
most
US-based
guys,
as
long
as
you're
legitimate,
you
can
join.
And
you
what
you
do
is
what
you
can
submit
your
experiences
in
combating
freight
fraud,
or
maybe
you
were
a
victim
of
freight
fraud
or
cargo
crime,
and
you
can
submit
what
happened
to
you
either
publicly
or
anonymously.
And
the
idea
is
that
you'll
be
able
to
submit
this
to
hopefully
prevent
it
from
happening
to
other
businesses,
and
so
it's
more
collaboration
within
the
industry.
And
from
what
I
understand,
a
lot
of
companies
are
are
really
embarrassed
to
admit
when
they
fall
victim
to
this.
And
maybe
it
will,
you
know,
might
cost
them
some
business
to
openly
admit
it.
And
so
this
website
was
created
in
order
to
help
those
folks
be
able
to
submit
anonymously
or
publicly,
kind
of
help
the
community
out,
help
others
avoid
a
potential
scam
from
happening
just
in
case
that,
you
know,
they
they
they
hit
one
person
and
then
they,
you
know,
they
figure
it
out
and
they
solve
it.
And
but
that
same
person,
that
same
fraudster,
can
then
go
after
other
companies
with
a
similar
profile.
And
so
it's
very
much
a
community
effort.
A
lot
of
cargo
crime
and
a
lot
of
freight
fraud
has
evolved
into
a
global
effort
of
the
bad
guys
trying
to
come
after
and
collaborate
with
each
other
to
come
after
freight
within
the
United
States,
within
North
America.
And
so
this
is
a
great
positive
movement
for
the
good
guys
to
be
able
to
collaborate
as
well.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
important
to
mention.
And
also
just
some
general
vibes
of
the
expo
floor.
I
thought
the
expo
floor
was
laid
out
really
well.
It
I
never
felt
super
crowded.
I
never
felt
overwhelmed
on
the
expo
floor.
Uh,
I
loved
that
they
had
a
lot
of
the
talks
on
the
expo
floor
itself.
It
was
cool
to
see,
you
know,
some
of
the
chassis,
some
of
the
equipment,
some
of
the
trackers
that
are
put
on,
you
know,
all
of
the
different
containers
in
order
just
to
track
your
freight.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
really
cool
to
see.
Of
course,
they
had,
you
know,
a
lot
of
conferences
have
puppy
lounges.
Iana
had
a
dog
lounge
this
year.
And
so
not
puppies,
but
dogs,
dogs
that
are
that
are
trained
to
help
de
stress
and
de
stress
people.
Uh
so
it
was
good
for
for
folks
to
be
able
to
go
into
the
doggy
lounge
and
be
able
to
hang
out
with
some
of
the
you
know,
the
golden
retrievers
and
corgis
and
things
like
that.
So
they
were
very,
very
cute.
I
even
saw
one
woman
taking,
they
had
a
headshot
studio
on
the
expo
floor
as
well.
I
even
saw
one
woman,
she
borrowed
one
of
the
dogs
to
go
over
and
take
a
headshot
with
the
dog.
And
I
thought
that
that
was
incredible.
I
don't
know
that
I've
seen
that
at
any
other
conference.
So
shout
out
to
her
for
being
creative
with
her
headshot.
A
couple
of
other
things
that
I
thought
were
cool
in
the
expo
floor,
Lego
minifigs.
You
could
make
your
own
custom
minifig.
And
if
you
you
guys
know
what
Legos
look
like.
I
was
gonna
go
grab
mine,
but
maybe
I
could
put
up
a
picture
of
it
in
post.
But
yeah,
I
thought
that
that
was
a
really
cool
thing
to
be
able
to
go
over
and
build
your
own
little
mini
Lego
set
of
yourself.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
nice.
Also,
the
equipment
on
the
expo
floor
as
well.
And
so
there
were,
of
course,
like,
you
know,
some
containers
and
trucks
and
things
like
that.
But
then
there
were
also
two
autonomous
vehicles
that
I
thought
were
incredible.
The
first
is
the
Glide
company,
which
I'm
gonna
be
talking
with
them
very,
very
soon.
The
founder
is
incredible.
He
former
SpaceX,
former
Northrop
Grumman,
you
know,
very,
very
like
talented
guy.
And
so
we're
we're
gonna
be
working
on
some
stuff
in
the
future.
I'm
gonna
get
you
some
of
that
coverage.
But
it
was
really,
really
cool
because
it
was
basically
a
way
to
take
a
rail
car
and
autonomously
move
it
from
move
the
container
from
the
rail
car
over
to
a
truck
and
vice
versa.
And
so
I
thought
that
that
was
just
incredible
technology.
If
you
were
at
manifest
this
year,
they
were
also
there
as
well.
And
so
just
it
was
really,
really
cool.
And
then
at
the
end
of
talking
with
him,
he
said,
Why
don't
you
go
see
my
friends
down
the
way?
Uh,
technically
a
competitor,
but
he's
like,
they're
doing
really
cool
things
too.
So
go
and
check
them
out.
And
I
thought
that
that
was
really
cool
for
technically
a
competitor
to
say,
go
check
out
my
friends
over
here
because
they're
they're
doing
some
really
cool
things
too.
And
that
company
was
a
company
called
Humble,
which
is
doing
also
autonomous
runs
as
well.
And
where
they
focus
their
efforts
is
more
in,
you
know,
the
the
yard
operations,
almost
like
a
if
if
you
know
of
the
company
Gaddock,
they
do
more
like
autonomous
box
trucks.
So
think
like
Walmart
distribution
centers
and
things
like
that.
But
for
Humble,
what
they're
doing,
they
have
a
lot
of
people
from
Uber
Freight
that
came
over
to
start
this
company.
And
but
for
Humble,
it's
not
a
small
box
truck,
it's
actually,
you
know,
a
regular
container.
So
they
had
their
equipment,
the
piece
of
equipment
that
they
actually
use.
They
have
one
truck
that
that
does
this.
So
it's
it's
completely
autonomous.
There's
not
even
a
cab.
They
they
have
a
front
panel,
they
have
kind
of
cameras
all
over,
so
it
runs
autonomously.
And
so
I
think
it's
really
interesting
to
see
the
use
cases
of
just
how
autonomous
has
evolved
from,
you
know,
a
lot
of
these
semi-trucks
that,
you
know,
uh,
Kodiak,
I
think,
is
really
the
only
one
that
is
still
around.
But
you
had
other
ones,
Aurora
and
Plus,
and
some
of
these
other
autonomous
companies,
and
they
they
might
have
pivoted,
not
exactly
sure
on
that.
I'll
have
to
fact-check
myself
on
that
one.
But
I
remember
doing
a
panel
at
Manifest
with
all
of
those
three
companies,
and
Kodiak
is
the
only
one
that
is
actually
still
around,
to
my
knowledge.
I
could
be
wrong
on
that.
Um,
but
uh
it
was
interesting
to
see
how
Autonomous
is
evolving
from,
I
think
the
goal
has
always
been
the
long
haul
routes.
But
if
you're
gonna
do
long
haul
routes,
a
lot
of
people
think
that
there
are
is
not
a
lot
of
complexity
in
that.
There's
a
tremendous
amount
of
complexity
in
that.
And
so
where
autonomous
is
evolving
is
into
dedicated
routes,
dedicated
lanes.
Um,
a
previous
interview
that
we've
done
is
with
bot
auto,
who
is
doing
only
runs
from
Laredo
to
Monterey
across
the
border.
And
so
they're
running
these
lows
or
they're
running
these
trucks,
these
autonomous
trucks
at
night
to
avoid,
you
know,
uh
extra
traffic.
They
also
run
at
night
because
a
lot
of
drivers
don't
want
to
drive
at
night.
And
so
they
found
bot
auto
has
found
a
nice
niche
in
that
regard.
And
so
I
think
that
these
companies
that
are
coming
to
fruition
with
Glide
and
with
Humble,
they've
found
their
own
specific
niche
that
is
a
major
pain
point
for
a
lot
of
shippers
and
a
lot
of
warehouse
operators.
Drage,
of
course,
to
so
to
be
able
to
offer
those
specific
niche
solutions,
I
think
is
is
a
really
cool
pivot
or
maybe
an
evolution
of
how
Autonomous
is
going
because
I
think
you
have
to
start
in
the
niches.
And
maybe
that's
where
Autonomous
has
kind
of
been
a
little
challenged,
is
that
they
started
big
and
they
they,
you
know,
they
went
bold
and
big,
and
that
it's
a
lot
of
regulation.
There's
a
lot
of
hoops
you
got
to
jump
through.
You
know,
you
got
to
be
like
class
A
certified
autonomous
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
those
long
haul
runs.
And
so
autonomous,
I
think,
is
kind
of
finding
its
way
in
this
regard.
And
I
thought
that
that
was
really
cool.
Last
couple
things
here,
and
then
I'll
let
y'all
get
out
of
here,
but
also
connecting
with
other
podcasters.
You
know,
it
it
Iana
did
such
an
incredible
job
with
the
podcast
booth
and
being
able
to
see
Chris
Jolly
from
The
Freight
Coach,
who's
a
longtime
friend
of
the
show,
and
then
also
Lauren
Began,
who's
also
been
on
the
show,
and
she
has
a
podcast
by
Landon
C.
So
being
able
to
chat
with
her,
also
Matthew
Leffler,
armchair
attorney,
you
know,
being
able
to
chat
with
him
and
be
able
to
have,
you
know,
some
some
in-depth
conversations
with
him.
Just
incredible
to
be
able
to
connect
with
other
creators
within
this
space,
especially
those
three
in
particular,
because
those
three
in
particular
have
been
doing
it.
Uh
Chris
Jolly
and
I,
I
think
started
around
the
same
time
as
independent
podcasters.
And
then
after
that
is,
I
believe
like
during
not
even
a
year
later,
is
when
Matthew
Leffler
and
Lauren
Began,
they
started
their
shows.
And
so
being
able
to
kind
of
all
come
together
and
kind
of
trade
war
stories,
my
my
favorite
thing.
Go
support
those
shows.
There's
actually
a
creator
database
or
creator
listing
page
over
on
the
CargoRex.io
website.
So
if
you
want
to
see
all
of
the
different
creators
that
are
in
our
space,
both
independent
and
and
big
media,
big
publishers,
go
over
to
Cargo
Rex
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
all
of
those
in
one
place
because
the
industry
is
growing
as
far
as
creators
are
concerned.
And
so
it
felt
special
to
me
and
a
little
humbling
to
be
one
of
IANA's
featured
podcasters.
So
big,
big
thanks
to
the
IANA
team
and
Rinky,
David
Garoffalo.
I
think
I'm
saying
your
last
name.
Sorry
if
I'm
not
David,
but
also
Nicholas
helped
out
a
ton.
The
rest
of
the
IANA
team
was
fantastic.
And
you
could
just
sense
a
level
of
energy
that
was
with
the
team
and
how
they're
excited
with
this
event.
And
then,
you
know,
I'm
sure
that
they're
gonna
find
little
moments
of
where
they
want
to
make
improvements
and
and
and
get
better.
And
so
this
is
an
event
that
I
would
absolutely
come
to
again.
And
if
you're
in
the
intermodal
space,
if
you're
in
the
drayage
space,
if
you're
in
any
of
you
know
the
intermodal
adjacent,
this
is
an
event
you
got
to
go
to,
especially
in
the
words
of
Christy
Kanichel.
She
was
also
speaking
of
fellow
podcasters,
she
also
has
a
new
podcast
out
called
The
Inside
Track
and
it's
intermodal
focused.
So
if
you
want
to
learn
more
about
intermodal,
I
would
highly
advise
to
check
out
her
podcast.
But
she
says
if
you're
in
intermodal
or
any
adjacent
industry,
this
is
the
event
you
want
to
come
to.
So
I
just
felt,
you
know,
very
honored
to
be
able
to
be,
you
know,
play
a
small
role,
the
smallest
of
roles
in
in
coming
to
this
event
and
being
part
of
it.
And,
you
know,
we're
gonna
have
all
of
those
different
conversations
coming
out
soon.
And
um,
yeah,
I
think
that
about
does
it
for
all
of
my
I've
done
all
my
thank
yous,
done
all
my
shout-outs,
and
those
are
the
my
top
takeaways
from
my
first
IANA
conference.
Also,
food,
10
out
of
10.
I
just
had
Lomo
Saltado
at
the
and
a
fantastic
margarita
at
the
end
of
doing
all
of
this
talking
before
I
came
back
to
record
this
conversation
here.
So
this
has
been
a
pleasure
and
I
love
doing
this
stuff,
and
so
I
appreciate
all
of
you
who
take
part
in
in
watching
this.
If
you
made
it
to
this
far
in
the
episode,
thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
your
time.
And
yeah,
that
about
does
it.
So,
with
all
that
said,
stay
tuned
for
more
Cargo
Rex
content,
more
Cargo
Rex
guides.
Also,
everything
is
logistics
solo
episodes.
We've
got
some
really,
really
great
episodes,
including
a
space
logistics
episode
coming
very
soon.
It's
been
a
minute
since
I
did
an
update
on
one
of
those.
And
so
hopefully,
if
you
are
watching
this
at
this
moment,
hopefully
that
episode
is
already
out.
But
if
not,
it's
coming
out
soon.
Or
if
you're
watching
this
in
the
future
at
some
point,
go
and
find
that
episode
because
I'm
really
pumped
about
that
another
side
of
logistics
that
I
just
love
learning
about,
and
that's
space.
So
thank
you
all
so
much
for
tuning
in.
We'll
be
back
soon
with
more
great
content.
But
until
then,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
attention
and
go
Jags.
