SPEAKER_00
0:42
AI
has
been
overhyped
when
it's
positioned
as
a
replacement
of
systems.
That's
not
what
we're
doing.
We're
not
ripping
out
your
WMS
or
your
execution
stack
and
replacing
it
as
AI.
So
once
you
start
thinking
about
that,
then
you're
going
to
be
like,
okay,
well,
this
is
going
to
replace
everything.
No,
it's
not.
What
it's
doing
is
it's
helping
you
rather
make
intelligent
decisions
and
leveraging
the
visibility
that
you
might
have
actually
achieved
through
deploying
these
systems
and
then
making
you
giving
you
that
competitive
edge
to
be
able
to
be
ahead
of
your
competition
and
also
not
only
understand
the
visibility
of
the
supply
chain,
but
also
execute
and
be
future.
SPEAKER_02
1:24
Welcome
into
another
edition
of
the
CargoRec
series
where
we
are
talking
about
AI
use
cases
in
logistics.
And
today
we're
talking
with
Jet
Chitanin.
He
is
the
president
at
APG
America's,
and
we
are
going
to
be
talking
about
their
tools
around
the
new
era
of
AI
with
their
Aura
program
and
where
intelligent
document
processing
is
part
of
more
of
a
broader
level
of
products
that
they
are
solving
with
AI.
And
so,
Jet,
welcome
into
the
show.
SPEAKER_00
1:53
Thanks
for
having
me,
Bright.
Looking
forward
to
this
conversation.
SPEAKER_02
1:56
Now
give
us
sort
of
a
high-level
view
of
we
mentioned
that
the
broad
spectrum
of
products
that
EPG
is
targeting.
So
give
us
that
high-level
view
of
who
EPG
is,
your
ICPs,
your
target
customers.
Who
are
you
talking
to
and
why?
SPEAKER_00
2:12
So
EPG
is
a
at
our
core,
we
are
a
supply
chain
execution
platform.
So
everything
from
warehouse
management
software,
transportation
management
software,
contract
and
billing,
which
is
very
important
in
the
3PL
world,
yard
management
as
well.
And
so
this
year,
earlier
this
year,
we
launched
our
AI
environment,
which
sits
on
top
of
our
execution
layer,
on
top
of
our
platform,
or
any
platform
for
that
matter.
And
what
it
does
is
it's
focused
on
solving
challenges
inside
the
floor
walls
of
distribution
centers
and
warehouses
and
leveraging
AI
to
be
able
to
make
really
smart
decisions
using
AgenTic
AI
specifically.
And
that's
gotten
us
a
lot
of
success,
especially
having
also
won
uh
the
best
product
award
at
Logimat,
which
is
a
large
European
um
show
that
can
be
compared
with
Modex
or
ProMat.
SPEAKER_02
3:05
And
so
as
you
are
developing
these
new
products
in
sort
of
this
new
tech
renaissance
that
we
kind
of
find
ourselves
in
working
in
in
logistics
and
supply
chain,
how
are
you
choosing
to
develop
the
different
products
and
how
did
they
sort
of
come
to
fruition?
Was
this
something
your
customers
were
asking
for,
or
were
you
seeing
it
in
kind
of
the
data
that
you
wanted
to
optimize
for
them?
How
are
you
approaching
your
customers
with
these
different
product
sets?
SPEAKER_00
3:34
So
it's
all
about
problem
solving,
right?
That's
a
great
question.
It's
all
about
problem
solve
solving.
Uh,
you
know,
we
observe
there
are
certain
areas
in
the
warehouse
and
even
beyond,
you
know,
because
some
of
our
applications
go
beyond
uh
what
happens
in
four
walls.
But
uh
it's
all
about
you
know
making
sure
that
we
understand
what
the
challenges
are
and
can
we
leverage
AI
using
this?
Rather,
can
we
leverage
AI
to
solve
these
problems?
And
that's
how
some
of
these
came
into
fruition.
I'm
happy
to
go
into
more
details
regarding
use
cases,
but
we
saw,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview,
we
saw
uh
challenges
while
receiving
product.
And
that
is
one
area
where
consistently
we
got
feedback
about
how
cumbersome
is
the
process
to
unload
everything,
to
get
the
delivery
notes,
to
get
all
that
information
for
you
to
then
be
able
to
really
start
doing
your
work.
And
then
so
on
and
so
on,
we
uh
gradually
started
to
uncover
more
and
more
challenges
that
we
could
solve
using
AI.
So
we
transform
actually
our
company
uh
internally
as
well
as
uh
you
know
developing
this
application
and
leveraging
AI
because
you
know,
if
you
don't
adapt,
then
you're
left
behind.
So
that's
the
approach
that
we're
taking.
SPEAKER_02
4:39
So
let's
let's
talk
about
some
of
those
different
use
cases
because
we
got
a
couple
of
your
your
case
studies
that
were
sent
over,
and
but
we're
the
the
IDP
product.
So
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
that
product,
and
because
I
have
some
some
data
that
shows
that
13
minutes
are
saved
per
delivery
across
the
goods
reception
process
and
at
a
10
dock
facility
running
70
trucks
a
day
that
adds
up
to
15
hours
is
saved
daily.
Walk
me
through
where
those
13
minutes
actually
come
from.
SPEAKER_00
5:08
Sure,
absolutely.
So
to
sort
of
center
this
uh
this
conversation,
IDP,
which
is
our
intelligent
document
processing,
sits
inside
a
broader
uh
array
of
use
cases,
which
is
called
as
uh
the
EPG
Aura
Observer.
So
observer,
it's
like
an
eye.
So
you
you
you
can
an
I
can
read
a
document,
and
I
can
look
at
a
video,
and
I
can
look
at
a
podcast,
right?
And
also
hear
it,
of
course.
So
so
that's
the
idea
behind
it.
We've
also,
you
know,
um
partnered
with
Nvidia
on
on
some
of
the
camera
technology
that
we're
using
in
in
other
use
cases.
I
should
say
the
intelligent
video
analysis,
which
is
part
of
our
uh
observer.
Here,
the
challenge
was
a
lot
of
organizations
were
using
OCR
to
detect
documents,
to
read
those
documents.
However,
you
know,
when
things
are
inside
the
warehouse,
they're
not
always
perfect.
Uh
as
you
know,
you
get
all
these
delivery
notes,
they're
crumbled
up,
there's
stuff
written
on
it,
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
it
becomes
extremely
hard
for
people
to
parse
out
that
information,
understand
what
that
is,
and
put
that
into
um,
you
know,
uh
enter
that
information
somehow
to
capture
it
and
enter
it
into
your
WMS.
So
what
we
did
is
um,
you
know,
uh
using
AI
uh
technology,
we
were
now
we're
able
to
understand
and
recognize
patterns.
So
it's
it's
very
simple.
What
you
do
is
with
a
camera,
you
take
a
picture,
the
AI
uses
and
it
contextualizes
the
picture
that
you've
taken,
understands
what
if
there's
information
missing,
if
there's
information
that's
blurry,
so
on
and
so
forth.
Uh,
and
and
really
recognizes
those
patterns
and
builds
up
that
information
so
that
you
get
everything
as
it
should
be,
and
then
you
then
uh
take
that
information
and
upload
it
directly
to
your
WMS.
So
all
that
process
uh
happens
pretty
instantaneously.
Where
you
see
people
uh
save
uh
save
on
time
is
you
you
mentioned
the
goods
receipt
process.
So
that
can
be
broken
down
into
five,
let's
call
it
major
categories
check-in
and
unloading.
So
this
is
when
your
trailers
come
in,
you're
checking
in,
you're
unloading
the
trailer,
so
on
and
so
forth.
Then
you
perform
your
initial
inspection
and
identification
of
what
product
it
is.
You've
got
your
goods
receipt
recording,
that's
when
you
record
all
the
information
that
you've
received.
Then,
of
course,
you
have
quality
control,
and
then
you
put
away.
So,
in
all
of
these
steps,
the
major
three
steps
or
sub
steps,
I
should
say,
where
we
can
save
time
on
are
initial
inspection
and
identification,
just
with
that
camera
capturing
all
that
information
instantaneously.
Similarly,
with
goods
receipt
recording
as
well,
and
then
uh
handling
of
uh
you
know
different
uh
loading
units
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
then
quality
control.
So
we
we
did
extensive
time
studies
also
uh
at
a
customer
site
as
well,
and
then
we
that's
how
we
came
up
with
that
13-minute
number.
So
then
you
can
extrapolate
that,
and
as
you
mentioned,
that's
absolutely
right,
it
can
potentially
save
up
to
um
you
know
almost
two
shifts
worth
of
work.
SPEAKER_02
8:04
Now,
in
a
traditional
shipment
process,
there
could
be
all
different
kinds
of
modes
that
are
used
to
complete
the
journey
of
getting
that
source,
you
know,
to
porch
process
completed.
And
as
most
of
us
know
in
this
industry,
there
are
you
know
all
of
these
different
information
silos,
there's
acronyms,
there's
you
know,
language
barriers.
How
do
you
sort
of
account
for
all
of
those
different
information
silos
and
make
sure
that
once
that
document
is
processed,
that
everybody
can
kind
of
understand
it
from
the
same
lens?
SPEAKER_00
8:35
Excellent
question.
So
I'm
gonna
go
one
step
back
and
talk
about
how
our
AI
platform
or
AI
environment
is
developed.
So
at
the
core
is
something
that
we
call
as
cognitive
core.
That
is
sort
of
the
brain,
uh
and
rather
the
heart
of
the
AI
system.
There
we
have
our
own
technology
as
we're
using
multitudes
of
LLMs
to
be
able
to
um
analyze
all
the
information
and
use
and
leverage
AI.
And
then
we
have
something
called
a
semantic
brain.
And
what
that
does
is
it
contextualizes
information.
So
semantic
brain
is
where
you
can
upload
all
of
your
documents,
your
workflows,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
let's
say
you
were
customer
XYZ,
and
um
you
have
some
very
specific
processes
in
your
warehouse,
whether
it's
related
to
shipping,
whether
it's
related
to
just
whatever
you're
doing
inside
your
facility,
and
you
can
actually
upload
all
those
into
the
AI
environment.
The
AI
environment
uses
our
LLMs
as
well
as
that
information
to
contextualize
what
it's
seeing
and
looking
in
real
time
on
that
specific
document.
And
that
way
it's
able
to
understand
and
recognize
this
acronym
in
this
context
means
this
activity.
SPEAKER_02
9:43
And
so
as
your
well,
with
that,
I
it
almost
sounds
like
maybe
like
the
that's
a
key
part
of
the
onboarding
process
when
you
bring
a
new
client
on
that
that's
going
to
be
utilizing
your
services.
Because
if
you're
doing,
you
know,
uh
if
you
have
a
WMS
and
a
TMS,
and
then
you
have
the
these
different
document
imaging
processes,
then
I
would
imagine
that
that
could
create
a
situation
where
maybe
you're
surfacing
things
that
things
that
are
a
problem
or
inefficiencies
that
were
a
problem
that
the
customer
didn't
know
about.
So,
how
are
how
do
you
approach
maybe
um
the
pre-onboarding
or
the
pre-boarding
and
then
the
onboarding
uh
during
those
customer
conversations?
What
do
those
conversations
look
like?
SPEAKER_00
10:24
So
it's
always
uh
because
applications
can
be
so
broad,
and
this
is
just
one
application,
you
know,
the
onboarding
process
can
be,
depending
on
what
the
scope
is
going
to
be
for
the
entire
project,
it
can
go
on,
right?
So
it
it's
it
can
be
an
iterative
process.
Uh
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
make
you
leveraging
AI,
and
this
is
what
I
want
you
know,
sort
of
the
audience
to
also
get
away
is
uh
get
from
this,
rather,
is
you
don't
have
to
have
your
instructions
in
a
specific
format.
You
don't
have
to
have,
you
can
just
say,
just
like
give
you
an
example,
right?
I
mean,
if
you
go
on
um
and
and
any
sort
of
then
an
AI
platform,
and
then
you
say,
I
need
a
ticket,
flight
ticket
to
whatever
it
is.
I
live
in
Raleigh.
So
Raleigh,
uh,
and
then
uh
just
find
me
a
flight
ticket
for
May
1st,
and
these
are
your
parameters,
do
it.
So
you
you
don't
tell
them
what
to
do
inside,
it's
gonna
then
figure
it
out
uh
based
on
the
models,
right?
We're
using
a
similar
approach
here
where
you
have
the
beginning
state,
end
state,
that's
how
you
solve
problems.
However,
to
your
point,
that
can
and
will
uncover
some
inefficiencies
in
this
process.
Where
again,
if
you
if
you
relate
it
to
a
um
to
a
traditional
AI
that
you're
using
every
day,
it's
gonna
say,
okay,
fine,
I
finished
this
action.
But
now
do
you
want
I've
seen
I
noticed
that
there's
something
additional.
Do
you
also
want
me
to
look
at
that
and
and
and
give
you
a
recommendation?
So
that's
sort
of
the
way
that
it's
gonna
work.
SPEAKER_02
11:50
And
so
it's
more
of
the
exception
management
for
uh
a
lot
of
these
different
roles
where
they
don't
know
what
they
don't
know,
especially
during
the
onboarding
process,
but
there
could
be
some
opportunities
where
you
know
that
13
minutes
that
we
cited
earlier
could
lead
into
more
efficiency
saved
across
an
entire,
you
know,
sort
of
shipment
flow.
Am
I
understanding
that
correct
correctly?
SPEAKER_00
12:12
Yes,
that's
right.
And
and
again,
just
sort
of
reiterate
that's
one
use
case.
We
have
others
as
well,
but
that's
the
the
one
where
we
can
absolutely
pinpoint
and
say
this
is
what
we've
observed
in
real
time.
We've
done
time
studies
and
saved
um
on
cumulative
time
saved
throughout
a
shift.
SPEAKER_02
12:28
And
so
uh
one
of
those
other
use
cases
that
that
were
brought
up
is
it
is
IVA
on
the
operational
impact.
And
so
the
Aura
observer,
which
is
one
of
your
products,
and
then
the
video
partnership
uh
got
a
lot
of
attention,
as
you
mentioned,
at
Logimat.
Without
some
of
those
hard
numbers,
how
does
IVA,
first
of
all,
what
does
I
guess
sort
of
IVAs
stand
for?
And
then
what
is
the
big
problem
that
it's
solving?
SPEAKER_00
12:52
Okay,
so
IVA
stands
for
intelligent
video
analytics.
So
it's
as
simple
as
you
know
having
our
uh
AI
system
be
deployed
and
and
you
have
any
cameras
you
can
have.
Like
we
don't
necessarily
recommend
certain
type
of
camera,
but
it's
basically
tied
into
the
camera
system.
Any
camera
system
that
you
have.
This
acts
like
a
supply
chain
manager
for
the
most
part,
or
help
that
a
supply
chain
manager
can
can
really
use.
Imagine
a
warehouse
and
uh
using
cameras,
it's
constantly
detecting
or
and
understanding
and
contextualizing
what's
happening.
So
you're
not
telling
it
that
this
is
a
person,
this
is
a
yellow
vest,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
It
already
knows
this
because
of
the
LLMs
uh
that
I
just
talked
about
and
and
and
other
proprietary
uh
technology.
So
what
it
does
is
let's
say
that
you
have
um
an
accident
in
a
specific
aisle,
or
you
have
a
product
that
is
spilled,
or
uh,
or
you
have
obstacles,
or
if
you
have
a
pallet
sticking
out
where
it
shouldn't
be,
so
on
and
so
forth,
it's
already
going
to
look
at
that
and
it
can
give
you
an
alert.
It
can
give
you
an
alert
to
the
supply
chain
manager
and
say,
this
is
what's
happening
here.
How
do
you
either
want
to
handle
it,
or
if
there's
a
specific
action
that
you
need
to
trigger
if
I
observe
this,
then
go
ahead
and
trigger
that
action
uh
by
itself.
So
it's
it
can
be
used
for
uh
accident
detection,
uh
safety
protocols,
whether
those
are
being
followed
or
not,
uh
observing
pallets,
like
if
a
pallet
is
standing
there
um
for
uh
way
too
long
uh
and
it
needs
to
be
uh
put
into
uh
onto
a
trailer,
it
will
give
you
an
alert
and
you
can
set
all
kinds
of
alerts
using
that.
Uh
overcrowding
areas,
it
can
generate
heat
maps.
You
know,
there's
you
know,
pretty
much,
I
don't
want
to
make
it
sound
like
a
hyperbole,
but
it's
sky
still
in
it.
SPEAKER_02
14:42
And
so
as
the
I
would
imagine
that
manufacturers,
shippers
are
the
the
target
market
that
that
EPG
has
has
been
working
with
and
and
going
after
for
you
know
these
different
types
of
use
cases.
Um
I
I
am
curious
about
the
uh
sort
of
formal
onboarding
process.
Do
these
do
these
additional
products
work
best
with
your
existing
customers,
or
are
new
customers
coming
to
you
and
saying,
we
have
this
problem,
we
don't
know
how
to
solve
it,
and
we
think
you
might
be
able
to
solve
it?
Tell
me
a
little
bit
about
those
different
demographics.
SPEAKER_00
15:13
Yes,
absolutely.
So
um
it
is
it
can
be
both.
And
and
the
reason
why
we
have
seen
so
much
success
early
on,
and
we
continue
to
see
a
lot
of
interest
and
a
lot
of
practical
um
solving
practical
applications
is
because
we've
kept
sort
of
the
end
goal
in
mind
is
to
solve
these
problems,
and
we've
tried
to
make
it
so
that
it's
independent
of
our
own
software,
which
is
WMS
or
TMS,
so
on
and
so
forth.
Of
course,
we'd
prefer
it
to
be
on
our
own
platform,
makes
things
easier,
especially
at
Modex.
We
had
a
lot
of
uh
interest
there
uh
from
companies,
you
know,
wanting
to
learn
more
and
really
come
coming
to
us
with
uh
with
problems
and
challenges,
uh,
and
some
of
which
we
didn't
think
about,
uh,
and
but
we
could
certainly
use
those
and
apply
those,
apply
our
AI
environment
to
those,
to
solving
those
use
cases.
So
I
would
say
it's
a
it's
a
bit
of
both,
and
we've
intentionally
kept
it
agnostic
so
that
you
can
pretty
much
use
it
with
any
existing
software,
and
you're
not
beholden
to
using
our
platform,
uh,
but
certainly
you'll
you'll
get
more
benefits
from
it.
SPEAKER_02
16:13
Oh,
that
that's
interesting.
So
it
it's
integrating
into
what
maybe
a
user
is
already
have
already
invested
in,
and
so
it's
an
additional
intelligence
layer
on
on
top
of
that.
SPEAKER_00
16:23
Yep,
absolutely.
SPEAKER_02
16:25
So
you've
done
the
the
pre-qualification,
you
you
you
figured
out,
oh,
this
is
gonna
be,
and
I'm
talking
from
a
customer
point
of
view,
this
is
gonna
be
a
good
fit
for
us.
What
should
I
do
on
my
end
of
things
to
make
sure
that
I'm
prepared
from
a
data
lens,
from
a
tech
lens
to
make
sure
that
I'm
gonna
be
able
to
hit
the
ground
running
if
I
choose
to
engage
with
you?
SPEAKER_00
16:46
Yeah,
so
we
have
a
very
detailed
and
specific
process
if
we
go
through
and
walk
through
the
customer.
What
I
want
folks
to
understand
is
uh
I
remember
somebody
mentioning
that
adding
in
a
new
ERP
uh
is
like
getting
a
root
canal.
It's
it's
painful,
and
but
you
but
you
know
that
you
have
to
get
it
done.
Right?
That's
not
the
case
here.
Uh,
just
like
with,
you
know,
it
may
not
be
as
simple
as
subscribing
to
JATGPT
and
you
start
using
it,
but
it
is
closer
to
that
than
it
is
to
uh
deploying
a
new
ERP
or
WMS.
So
uh
we
have
a
detailed
list
of
documents
and
checklists
through
what
through
what's
required,
what's
needed,
and
it's
it's
very
use
case
specific.
Uh
that
will
walk
you
through,
and
it's
a
very
uh
it's
a
detailed
and
thorough
process
of
uh
us
looking
at
the
environment
and
then
uh
assessing
where
we
can
add
value
if
we
can,
and
then
moving
forward
with
uh
with
that.
So
it's
it's
a
very
uh
detailed
specification
that
we
walk
through
with
customers
and
uh
understanding.
Because
if
you
don't
understand,
if
you
can't
see
it
through
their
lens,
then
we
can't
solve
their
problem.
SPEAKER_02
17:47
It's
as
you
know,
more
and
more
teams
are
uh
adopting
these
tools,
there
is
you
know
a
segment
of
the
population
that
is
incredibly
fearful
about
it
using
these
tools.
And
oh,
is
you
know,
if
I
start
to
use
this
tool,
is
it
going
to
replace
my
workload?
Based
on
your
experience
and
the
teams
that
you've
worked
with,
how
are
you
handling
some
of
the
pushback
that
that
comes
with
that
fear?
SPEAKER_00
18:12
So
that
is,
I
would
say
that's
the
um,
you
know,
boiling
the
ocean
uh
category,
right?
Like
that's
not
what
we're
doing.
We're
not
boiling
the
ocean,
we're
not
trying
to
figure
everything
out.
And
and
that
also
comes
from
some
of
the
hype
from
AI,
right?
It's
like
people
saying
that
AI
is
gonna
solve
all
problems.
So
the
bottom
line
is
AI
has
been
overhyped
when
it's
positioned
as
a
replacement
of
systems.
That's
not
what
we're
doing.
You
still
what
would
need
it's
not
we're
not
ripping
out
your
WMS
or
your
execution
stack
and
replacing
it
as
AI.
So
once
you
start
thinking
about
that,
then
you're
gonna
be
like,
okay,
well,
this
is
gonna
replace
everything.
No,
it's
not.
What
it's
doing,
it's
it's
making
you,
it's
making
helping
you
rather
make
intelligent
decisions
and
leveraging
the
visibility
that
you
might
have
actually
achieved
through
deploying
these
systems,
which
in
itself
can
be
a
big
feat,
and
then
uh
making
you
giving
you
that
competitive
edge
to
be
able
to
be
ahead
of
your
competition
and
also
not
only
understand
the
visibility
of
your
supply
chain,
but
also
execute
and
be
future-proof.
SPEAKER_02
20:10
And
so
as
you're
you're,
I
guess,
building
these
out
or
building
these
systems
out
with
different
teams,
uh,
I'm
curious
as
the,
you
know,
maybe
some
of
the
executives
have
bought
in,
but
it's
down
to
you
know,
that
sort
of
in
the
trenches
employee
or
that
department
that
has
to
manage
the
actual
change
management
and
the
adoption
and
making
sure
that
that
people
are
using
these
tools.
And
your
experience,
is
it
really
sort
of
one
person
like
the
AI
ops
lead,
or
you
know,
someone
internally
that's
you
know
put
in
charge
of
like
being
the
champion
of
you
know
the
different
adoption
tools
of
AI?
Is
there
more
of
a
success
rate
that
you've
seen
with
different
roles
or
you
know,
departments,
or
evolutions
of
how
you
know
the
modern
manufacturers
are
moving
into
the
in
the
modern
age
using
AI?
SPEAKER_00
21:01
So
I
wouldn't
say
that
it
there's
necessarily
a
group
of
people
that
that
we've
seen
more
interest
in.
It
really
depends
on
the
company's
DNA
and
whether
you
know
they're
a
little
more
forward-looking
as
opposed
to
whether
they're
conservative
specifically.
Uh,
and
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
because
our
use
cases
are
so
varied.
So
now
I
talked
about
the
four
walls,
uh,
solving
problems
in
the
four
walls.
That's
primarily
what
we
focus
on.
But
we
also
have
something
called
as
an
orchestrator,
uh,
which
can
understand
if
there's
a
delivery
coming
in
that's
late,
then
it
can
manage
all
the
workflows
inside
the
four
walls
based
on
the
late
arrival
of
that
delivery
to
reprioritize
all
the
work
so
that
you
can
get
the
rest
of
it
out
as
soon
as
possible
and
as
efficiently
as
possible.
So
I
would
say
operation
supply
chain
and
IT
all
have
to
sort
of
align
uh
to
be
able
to
make
the
decision.
But
I
don't
necessarily
see
a
specific
category
or
specific
subfunction
within
a
company
that
that
has
been
more
excited
or
or
more
um
willing
to
move
forward
with
it
as
opposed
to
how
the
company
is
structured
and
and
whether
they're
more
of
a
forward-looking
company
or
or
a
conservative
company.
SPEAKER_02
22:06
Yeah,
because
there's
definitely
a
little
uh,
you
know,
with
some
conservative
companies,
there's
a
you
know,
a
hesitancy
almost
to
adopt
these
tools
and
how
they,
you
know,
they
don't
want
to,
what
I've
done
for
you
know
10
years
has
worked
for
me.
I
don't
want
to
change,
you
know,
that
that
kind
of
mindset,
which
maybe
has
to
be
massaged
a
little
bit.
And
once
they
start
seeing,
you
know,
sort
of
the
eye-opening
moments
that
these
tools
can
provide,
then
it
leads
to
to
greater
adoption.
And
I
and
I'm
curious
if
you've
seen
that
maybe
with
with
your
own
customer
base,
how
they,
you
know,
maybe
they'll
get
started
with
document
processing
and
then
now
they
want
to
add
on
another
layer.
Are
you
seeing
more
of
a
an
all-in-one
approach
where
someone
wants
to
jump
all
in
and
rework
everything,
or
maybe
like
a
phased
approach?
SPEAKER_00
22:50
Uh
phased
approach
is
is
what
I've
seen
primarily.
And
it
makes
sense.
Crawl,
walk,
run.
That
approach
makes
the
most
sense.
And
that's
what
we've
seen
um
more
and
more.
But
yes,
we
have
we've
had
some
conversations
with
customers
where
we
worked
with
them
for
a
while
and
and
you
know,
they
know
uh
our
capabilities
and
and
they
have
trust
in
what
we
can
bring
to
the
table.
Those
are
uh
are
proceeding
with
having,
even
though
even
though
it's
phase,
they
want
to
go
go
sort
of
let's
call
it
a
big
bang
approach,
more
of
a
big
bang
approach.
And
and
uh
we've
seen
some
success
there
as
well.
What
I
will
say
is
yes,
there's
going
to
be
uh
a
lot
of
uh
trepidation.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
customers
thinking
that,
you
know.
What
should
I
like?
Should
I
really
do
this?
But
the
bottom
line
is
you
gotta
start
somewhere.
Start
small
because
think
about
it,
Blythe,
just
like
twenty,
thirty
years
ago,
right?
We
didn't
have
cell
thirty
years
ago,
we
didn't
have
cell
phones
or
we
just
started
getting
them.
Now
we're
able
to
text.
Now
we're
able
to
have
Wi-Fi.
Now
we're
video,
now
it's
AI.
So
it's
constant
change,
right?
So
if
you
don't
change
at
the
appropriate
rate,
then
you're
gonna
be
left
behind
and
your
competitors
are
gonna
go
ahead.
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
have
to,
you
know,
go
in
and
and
flip
everything
upside
down,
but
you
gotta
start
somewhere.
SPEAKER_02
24:03
Absolutely.
And
maybe
uh
out
outside
of
the
use
cases
we
we've
already
mentioned,
are
there
any
other
maybe
moments
that
you
can
pitch
to
a
customer
that
can
get
them
to
start
you
know
crawling
before
they
walk
or
before
they
run?
SPEAKER_00
24:17
Uh
yeah,
no,
absolutely.
I
mean
the
the
the
key
is
to
um
understand
how
clean
is
your
data
and
and
and
really
understand
that
um
because
you
know
if
you
have
naturally
if
you
have
garbage
data,
garbage
is
gonna
be
coming
out,
right?
So
that
is
where
I
would
say
the
customers
or
prospects
or
whoever
is
exploring
AI,
whether
it's
our
solution
or
somebody
else's,
which
I
don't
think
specifically
I
I
haven't
encountered
anyone
who's
solving
problems
in
this
realm
the
way
that
we
are,
but
um
regardless,
you
know,
they
should
make
sure
that
their
data
is
uh
is
clean,
the
data
is
accurate,
and
and
ultimately
that
is
gonna
then
help
them
to
start
with
a
use
case,
start
with
saying
where
is
where
which
outcome
is
going
to
yield
me
the
best
possible
result
inside
the
facility?
Uh
what's
gonna
because
ultimately
it
all
boils
down
to
ROI.
And
and
if
that's
the
case,
then
you
start
there
and
if
you
see
it
working,
then
you
expand,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
you
gotta
you
gotta
start
somewhere.
SPEAKER_02
25:20
How
do
you
know
if
your
data
is
dirty
or
not?
SPEAKER_00
25:23
Um
that's
that's
a
good
question.
I
mean,
uh
you
will
if
you
have,
you
know,
it's
basically
if
you
have
a
WMS
system
or
or
a
system
that's
been
that's
a
legacy
system
that
you've
been
using,
uh
a
lot
of
the
times,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
organization,
if
it's
too
small
of
an
organization,
then
they
know
in
general
they
don't
have
a
good
system
of
managing
all
of
their
data.
Uh
but
from
a
mid
for
a
mid-sized
organization,
you
know,
it
also
through
their
um
through
their
operations,
it
becomes
somewhat
evident
that
they
don't
have
they
have
disparate
systems,
disconnected
systems.
If
they
can't
talk
to
one
another,
if
you
don't
have
end-to-end
visibility,
that
is
also
a
sign
of
you
not
having
the
right
type
of
either
data
visibility
uh
or
uh
or
data
cleanliness,
if
you
want
to
call
it
that,
to
be
able
to
execute
something
like
this.
SPEAKER_02
26:14
And
so,
you
know,
f
a
final
couple
questions
here.
Uh
anything
that
you
feel
is
important
to
mention
that
we
haven't
already
talked
about?
SPEAKER_00
26:23
Yeah,
no,
I
mean,
uh
as
I
said,
you
know,
visibility
used
to
be
the
big
thing
uh
for
supply
chains,
right
end-to-end
visibility.
We
need
to
understand
where,
why,
how,
so
on
and
so
forth.
And
that's
more
and
more
uh
is
becoming
more
and
more
table
stakes
to
be
able
to
get
to
the
next
phase
as
as
opposed
to
the
end
goal,
which
it
should
be,
uh
which
it
was
perceived
to
be
a
number
of
years
ago.
So
uh
what
I
will
say
is
uh
again,
going
back
to
the
message
of
you
know,
you
you
you
gotta
start
somewhere
in
terms
of
innovation,
even
if
it's
small,
even
if
it's
utilizing
a
specific
use
case,
so
on
and
so
forth.
See
if
it
works,
but
you
have
to
be
able
to,
you
know,
take
that
leap
uh
and
start
small
and
and
don't
try
to
again,
as
I
said,
boil
the
ocean
and
measure
that
result.
And
if
it
leads
to
a
positive
ROI,
then
you
sort
of
have
the
indication
of
where
you
need
to
go.
SPEAKER_02
27:10
All
right,
perfect.
Well,
well,
well,
Jet,
I
think
that's
a
a
great
place
to
end
the
conversation.
Where
can
I
folks
or
where
can
I
send
folks
to
connect
with
you,
connect
with
EPG?
SPEAKER_00
27:21
Sure,
yeah.
So
uh,
you
know,
of
course,
uh
visit
our
website,
www.epg.com,
uh,
echo
papagolfepg.com.
And
you
can
find
me
on
LinkedIn.
It's
JetJ-E-T-T,
C-H-I-T-A-N-A-N-D.
And
um
I
I
checked
the
other
the
other
day,
and
there's
only
one
result
that
you
can
find.
So
it's
uh
that
you
know
that's
uh
perks
of
having
an
unusual
last
name,
I
guess,
but
that's
where
you
can
find
me
on
LinkedIn.
So
please
feel
free
to
connect
and
you
know,
happy
to
engage
in
conversations
and
answer
questions,
uh,
whether
it's
related
to
EPG
or
just
around
AI
or
uh
or
anything
for
that
matter
that
that
pertains
to
the
industry.
SPEAKER_02
27:59
Perfect.
Well,
well,
thank
you
so
much.
And
I'll
I
will
find
that
that
singular
link
for
for
LinkedIn
and
make
sure
I
put
it
in
the
show
notes
just
to
make
it
that
much
easier
for
folks.
Uh,
but
but
this
was
really
interesting
conversation,
so
thank
you,
Jet.
SPEAKER_00
28:11
Thanks
for
having
me,
Fly.
Thank
you.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01
28:17
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